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Physics or Economics A level alongside Maths & English...

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loveyouradvice · 16/12/2017 19:46

Hi all... I'd love general advice on:

  • how these are viewed by employers/unis
  • which is tougher?
  • how you would help DC decide

She wants to study Psychology at Uni - but definitely the more behavioural side... and likely to use it in her career, but again not as a psychologist but within human behaviour parameters (possibly consultancy)

At the mo, she can't make up her mind and I am encouraging her to talk to A level students to see what is really involved ... but am aware I should probably be encouraging her to think of more than this

Thanks!

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RainbowCookie · 26/12/2017 20:03

I did psychology at a level and then did a few modules at university, basically they did the entire 2 year a level syllabus in 1 term at uni, so it was good in a sense I had a nice slow intro to it and properly understood what I was being taught at uni whereas lots of others felt totally overwhelmed.
Psychology is quite essay based so I would suggest a subject which would help her develop critical thinking and essay based skills, lots of stats obviously and biology would be useful.

loveyouradvice · 26/12/2017 19:57

Fascinating... though sadly Economics not amongst subjects analysed

And don't worry I take a 16 year old's view of future careers with a pinch of salt - the only ones Ive known of this age who are certain have been medics....

So great she has an idea of things to explore - but I think her options are pretty wide ranging and Im keen to help her keep them so... especially if Psychology turns out not to live up to her expectations

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larrygrylls · 19/12/2017 07:06

www.score-education.org/media/3194/relativedifficulty.pdf

See the above report which included an easy to read graph on relative hardness of A levels. It is from 2008 but more recent studies have replicated it.

larrygrylls · 19/12/2017 07:02

Physics is recognised as (one of) the hardest A levels. You either need aptitude or commitment (ideally both) to do well at it. Plenty of strong A* GCSE grades get converted to Bs or lower at A level.

I love Physics but I am fascinated by solving the problems it poses (even in middle age). I would not pick it to make up A level numbers as it will quickly be apparent that it is a HUGE step up from GCSEs.

On a side note, how can a 16 year old be so committed to such a specific and rarefied career (‘possibly consultancy’). I think that they need to keep all options open as long as possible.

LooseAtTheSeams · 19/12/2017 06:56

DS is very keen to do A level psychology but has deliberately aimed for a 6th form where you can start with 4 A levels (presuming GCSE grades are ok) and drop one if needed, just in case. He's chosen biology as well. I couldn't see any degree course that actually required psychology but biology and maths seemed to be in demand.
Apparently there is a shortage of clinical psychologists but that involves pg study.

loveyouradvice · 19/12/2017 00:38

Seriously useful thread all - thank you!

And what I've most gained from it is that I need to help DD find out whether psychology is what she really wants to read at uni....

Feel a little foolish I didnt spot this earlier - as I went up to Uni to read Economics and discovered that what I'd loved at A level wasn't what it focussed on, so ended up changing...

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LoniceraJaponica · 18/12/2017 16:47

I don't think so. I suggested trying the A level course as a taster because of DD's experience. She really thought she would enjoy it but found it utterly, utterly boring (and unchallenging).

BubblesBuddy · 18/12/2017 09:38

Do any Psychology degrees actually ask for A level psychology? I doubt it. Biology may well be best but check out preferred subjects on the top ranked university web sites. Most graduates seem to struggle to get any job in this sector at all. Presumably, to be a consultant in a particular field, you have to have more than a degree otherwise everyone would do it.

LoniceraJaponica · 17/12/2017 18:52

DD's teachers were lovely as well. She achieved an A at AS level, and her teacher said she was throwing away an A* by not continuing with it. She needs her other subjects more though for what she wants to do.

nooka · 17/12/2017 18:34

I did physics and economics at A level (decades ago though). My ds has also done both but in a very different school system, and he is now taking economics and astronomy at university, but in a system which doesn't specialise until after two years of university (he also has courses in history, politics, maths, computing and english). Psychology is a very popular first year university course here, but I don't think very many major in it.

Given your child is a long way off having to decide what they want to do for their degree and have already picked two very flexible subjects I'd encourage them to pick the third according to how much they enjoy/are good at physics now, how good the economics and physics teachers are, what feedback those teachers can give on the courses. Otherwise if she is more interested in how people behave and why then economics seems more likely to appeal.

SunshineTheMonkey · 17/12/2017 18:06

That was the same for my DCs. Boring.

They said it wasn't hard was just dull compared to their other A levels. The teacher was lovely too so if he couldn't make it exciting god help anyone with a bad teacher.

Ropsleybunny · 17/12/2017 16:00

I have A level psychology and I absolutely loved it. I got an A following just one year's study.

LoniceraJaponica · 17/12/2017 12:33

DD found psychology mind numbingly boring, and the workload was ridiculous. She said it wasn't difficult, but the volume of work was almost as much as her other 3 subjects put together.

SunshineTheMonkey · 17/12/2017 12:02

My DCs both chose psychology at A level and hated it. Not at all what they were expecting.

Get her to look in to it before committing to a degree in it.

loveyouradvice · 17/12/2017 11:58

Her school doesn't do Psych A level but does do two taster sessions of one term each.... and they excel at Physics!

I so agree about trying to find out whether Psych is actually what she wants.....would be a real shame if she had geared everything towards that to discover it wasn't what she wanted!

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TheOtherClass · 17/12/2017 09:34

Could she start both of them and try them out for a few weeks. Probably wouldn't work timetable wise but worth a shot. One might have an awful teacher and the other a brilliant teacher or whatever.

Otherwise, I don't think it matters too much. Physics used to be the A level that was the most 'over' predicted. i.e. The majority of students were predicted TWO whole grades higher than they actually achieved. Admittedly this was maybe two or three years ago and I'm sorry but I can't be bothered getting the data out Blushhowever it might be worthwhile you having a look.

I'd also find out what the achieved grades for both subjects are are your kids school. Obviously not super relevant but might help form a picture. IYSWIM

LoniceraJaponica · 17/12/2017 09:11

Sorry, was on my phone earlier and it died. If your DD has the option to try psychology as a 4th option it would give her an idea of whether she would enjoy it as a subject. DD and a lot of her classmates hated it, and a lot of students dropped it early on. DD continued to AS then dropped it.

FlexTimeCheekyFucker · 17/12/2017 09:10

Most Psychology degrees have a large element of Biology. You can on the course without Biology A Level but the course is much harder without it.

Ropsleybunny · 17/12/2017 09:07

Yes doing Psychology A level is a good idea. At least you find out whether you like it. I suggested biology as a degree in Psychology includes some human biology. Maths is also useful, as Psychology includes a paper on statistics.

greenhairymonster · 17/12/2017 09:03

Agree behavioural economics is fascinating, you can approach it from psychology or economics. I think she should do what she finds interesting. English and maths are facilitating subjects and the third subject will not matter so much.

LoniceraJaponica · 17/12/2017 08:48

DD did psychology up to AS level and discovered she hated it.

BlueBelle123 · 17/12/2017 08:44

If her 6th form offer Psychology, then why not that if that is her chosen degree course, it seems slightly odd to me that she wouldn't do it, I know plenty that did it at A level only to find that it wasn't what they thought. Surely it's better to find out at A level than embark on a degree and find out you do not enjoy it!?

AuntieStella · 17/12/2017 08:21

As she wants to do psychology, then I thinking riding anither science would be useful (check entry requirements to see which if any are required, and in somewhere like Student Room to see which are widely expected/desirable)

I'd suggest a science - probably chemistry, physics, biology (in that order, based on usefulness should she change her mind about university subject).

But having an older teen studying the subjects she is really keen on is in itself important. If that's the subject she really wants to do, then that's what she should do.

titchy · 17/12/2017 07:58

Doesn't matter a bit. Why not Psychology? Does she realise there will be biology component of a Psychology degree?

AtiaoftheJulii · 17/12/2017 07:32

1 and 2 just aren't really questions that matter. She has two facilitating subjects, she knows what she wants to do at university, so all she needs to do is check a few likely choices' entry requirements.

My brother did maths, English and economics, iirc. Behavioural economics is an interesting area - I was listening to something about this year's economics Nobel prize winner, Thaler, and his book Nudge the other day.