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Pointless homework - WWYD?

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EvilTwins · 07/11/2017 21:22

DTDs are in yr 7. One gets endless amounts of homework (the other doesn’t) and much of it feels a bit pointless. Today, she told me she has a 3 week history project for which she has to “make something” to do with castles - she can make a cake Hmm or a model HmmHmm or a mood board with lots of pictures. I asked her what The actual learning in the project is and she doesn’t know. Last week, she was given a project where she had to do a presentation about herself. That’s for study skills, and they are focusing on the presentation aspect. Her sister does the same subjects (different teachers) and did not have the same homework - hers was to practise the presentation skills, rather than spend hours doing a pointless PowerPoint.

Homework should be to either consolidate learning, extend learning or prepare for a lesson (or test) Making a model of Lincoln Castle out of fudge does neither of those things.

WWYD? Contact School? DTD2 could be spending her time so much better.

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Orangeplastic · 14/11/2017 10:24

Just explained to dd the point of her poster homework was to practice the skill of picking out important info and summarising - she said the teacher had not explained any learning objectives, they had just been told to do a poster and she felt she hadn't really summarised anything. No matter, thanks to this thread, the next time she has a poster to complete - which will no doubt be quite soon, she will see the point and will feel it's a more worthwhile task.

MerryMarigold · 14/11/2017 09:03

It's possible. He doesn't always get instructions clearly. I have only been told (by ds1) that they are all doing different chapters. They don't have online homework yet, so it is just written down by ds1 in his planner. I asked yesterday who was getting the end of the book but he clarified they are all doing chapters before chapter 6. He was quite clear of the 'scene' that he wants to do: Bruno looking shocked to find Maria packing his stuff up to move house from Berlin. He didn't mention decor specifically, that was more what I added to at least include a bit of historical interior design!

MsJaneAusten · 13/11/2017 21:46

Is it possible that some people in the group are doing Bruno's original home in Berlin, some are doing his home at Out-With and some are doing the same for Shmuel (his previous home in Poland and his 'home' at Auschwitz? That would help teach the importance of setting and some of the WW2 context...

MerryMarigold · 13/11/2017 19:44
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MaisyPops · 13/11/2017 19:31

In which case merry I'm all out of how that could be a useful homework.

Usually I'll try to be charitable and explain some rationale. (E.g. Wouldn't be my decision but it could be... or...)

But a shoe box craft weeks later with no success criteria and no allocated skill makes no sense to me.

I could understand the task if (for example):

  1. Thry had spent a week studying the chapter and had notes in their books to work off
  2. The teacher gave them an extract of a description / moment and they needed to make the scene and be ready to explain their choices to a peer
  3. They had to collect key quotations in class and then use them to inform their craft and write a commentary on their craft

Something like those tasks ^^

But in your situation i can't see yhe logic.

MerryMarigold · 13/11/2017 18:29

They're all doing different chapters. He just happened to have week 1. Oh well, we're having some fun with it! Choosing 1940s wallpapers and chest of drawers.

Blueemeraldagain · 13/11/2017 18:28

I've just googled "the boy in the striped pyjamas chapter 1" and found two PDFs of the book. One from a school and one from a university (I think...).

MaisyPops · 13/11/2017 18:20

It would be a bit odd to set someyhing like that weeks later but if it's

Week 1 - read and study chapter 1
Homework- create a scene from thr first chapter

Then that's reasonable. It assessed comprehension skills, that they've retained information.
I've set summary/retention homework but with thr expectation that GCSE groups also have memorised 5 quotations as well (but the summary was more like create a knowledge organsier for self quizzing).

HangingRock · 13/11/2017 17:35

Or the school library?

HangingRock · 13/11/2017 17:29

Library then? Some open late on certain days

MerryMarigold · 13/11/2017 17:14

Finding and retriving information from a text is the 1st question on both GCSE English Lamguage papers

Well, yes, if they actually had the text with them! I don't really want to buy it for this one homework.

This seems more like 'remembering the gist of what you read 5 weeks ago in the first chapter'.

MaisyPops · 13/11/2017 16:41

Finding and retriving information from a text is the 1st question on both GCSE English Lamguage papers.
Whilst the task is a bit more crafty and artistic than strictly required, it's a bit nicer than lots of comprehension questions and exam questions like:
' read lines 1-17. Identify 4 thinks about the house'

Piggywaspushed · 13/11/2017 16:33

summer may be right there in terms of the teachers' motivation in setting the tasks : but, sadly, the same children who are bad at reading and writing are also usually bad at arts and crafts. Artistic types are often very able. I am sure a brain specialist could tell us why.

Life really isn't very fair sometimes. I can't let my bottom set year 10s anywhere near scissors and glue and they certainly can't do mindmaps, draw circles for Venn diagrams or create a table or chart.

HangingRock · 13/11/2017 14:41

Presumably the pp's dc will write summaries too. My dc was writing summaries only yesterday for homework. Perhaps the teacher was trying to add a bit of variety though. It could get a bit dry if they do too much of the same thing.

Summerswallow · 13/11/2017 13:57

Making notes is one of the key skills that many of our first year uni students lack- I'd like to see them taught how to pick out the relevant info and put it in their own words, and it seems to me reading a chapter and providing a summary might be a great way to do this. I would not think one needed to produce a 'diorama' to have the same effect! That said, I wonder if some of this 'creative' homework is there for children who aren't good at reading/writing- I am not sure creating a diorama would necessarily tip them towards better understanding but they might be able to show off different skills. Or perhaps that's what Art lessons are for...

HangingRock · 13/11/2017 13:32

Maybe getting them used to picking out relevant info from the text?

HangingRock · 13/11/2017 13:26

Is it maybe to make them study the first chapter in detail for ideas? I've found it useful them having a kindle so they can instantly access books they need for school. We've not had to buy that many so it hasn't been excessively expensive.

MerryMarigold · 12/11/2017 16:47

Ds1 has to make a diarama (otherwise known as a 'scene in a shoe box') of chapter 1 of The Boy in the Striped Pajamas. It is the most boring chapter probably, but never mind...struggling to see the benefit as they don't even have a copy of the book at home (I had to google a synopsis, but does not include any detailed description eg. wall colour etc.).

Can anyone explain the point of that homework?

Orangeplastic · 12/11/2017 16:19

DD has yet another poster to produce for English, her teacher seems to prefer poster homework, - instructions were to re-write a handout, in poster format, she is beyond bored with it but it's done now. Work set when this teacher misses a class, which seems to happen a lot, is always to create a poster - feels a bit lazy of her....but what do I know, apart from the homework, the kids think she is a good teacher.

Mishappening · 12/11/2017 15:27

So much bollocks - such a waste of young lives.

My children had some utterly ridiculous things to do for homework - several times I did it for them and told them to go out for a walk and take in the beautiful view of the hills. I could do a pretty neat "uniform essay" as well! Believe me they did not miss out education-wise, but they just developed the maturity to know what was helpful and what was not.

If the homework is pointless they will spot it a mile off and resent it - and who can blame them? Not good enough to just tick a box.

I could weep when I look at what we do to our children in the name of education. And the pressure the teachers are put under.

EvilTwins · 12/11/2017 15:21

orange Yep Blush

Very pleased though. She's merrily getting on with it right now.

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noblegiraffe · 12/11/2017 15:18

Oh wow, how amazing is that! Best outcome ever!

I suppose there's the possibility that some other parent complained and the teacher realised that they couldn't defend a cake castle so changed it without MN intervention.

Orangeplastic · 12/11/2017 14:49

Evil if the teacher is a Mumsnetter, I think you may have just outed yourself!

EvilTwins · 12/11/2017 13:53

Now wondering if DTD2's History teacher is a Mumsnetter... Asked her this morning if she wanted some help with her castles homework. Teacher has apparently changed the homework project to a booklet about Medieval England, with one page on castles, and other pages on the other things they're covering in class. Which makes more sense as it allows the DC to showcase what they've learned and will allow the teacher to see if there are any common errors or misconceptions. Can be done on the computer or by hand.

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roundaboutthetown · 11/11/2017 22:54

Being honest, who, other than a professional cake maker who charges huge amounts of money for their cakes, could make a realistic model of a castle that shows genuine understanding of the finer details of castles, out of cake?! I suspect the end result for most people would be a load of cake that just looks like a load of cake. That represents at least a good couple of hours of work proving you know how to bake and decorate a cake - time that, from a learning about castles perspective, would have been better served researching castles. And if you do both the research and the cake baking, that's an unreasonable amount of time to spend on one homework.