Outrageously harsh school reprimands pupils for forgetting a pen

noblegiraffe

Had them made, well ordered them online. There was a half price offer on at the time.

www.nationalpen.co.uk/uk/default.asp?headerCategory=Home&UID=049048057049053049050057056049

Yes I am quite anal about some things.

I started out lending pens. Then selling them. Then collecting spares to lend.
Then I just shrugged and said “not my problem”. Initially they would say “well I can’t do my work then” and I would still shrug and repeat “not my problem. Sounds like your problem to me”. Then I’d ignore them. Within 10 minutes they would always have found one or borrowed one. Far more relaxing.

That sounds like the set up I've had with parents in your situation june.

My view is that the standard is there for a reason and the expectation is right, although some children need a bit more help to meet that expecation.

Had to do all that in the end . Had a second set of textbooks at home. Now at university and laptop all the way. Assignments put in online so can't go missing. He is doing great and hopefully will work in an area where he doesn't have to carry around too much stuff . Although gradually he has found strategies that help.

june
So why don't you get a set of pens and he has one with each teacher as a backup?
That's what I had for a student last year.

Unfortunately, students do need to learn to be prepared and organised. Some may need additional strategies to get there but the standard still remains.

The punishment is detention and l haven't heard of anyone dying from detention yet so its not a big deal. I could never understand kids coming without stuff until l had my own. My ds could lose a pen between the table and the front door. They just disappeared. He has dyspraxia and paid a far higher price than detention. Regular abuse and shaming from some teachers for losing stuff eenroute to class. It was a nightmare.

Don't start me on the inability of students to bring i a pencil. I have come across students who have their equipment but can't be bovvered to get it out of their bags. I hate blazers as a uniform item but they are very useful for students to use as a mobile pencil case.

Shyness rankings like this overlook the fact that, while the academic outcomes from many of these countries is excellent, many of these countries don't teach their students to think for themselves.

Can they remember a pen though?

noblegiraffe

I have bright sparkly pens with 'Stolen from Ms Sashh' on them, they tend to come back. But I have been in schools where you have to issue a detention if they don't have a pen.

scaryclown

Clearly

2? The UK and the Rest of the World?

Soli. Mi dum. U clevr.

How does your link demonstrate that "practically all other countries have a much better educational outcome" How many countries do you think there are in the world?

Shyness rankings like this overlook the fact that, while the academic outcomes from many of these countries is excellent, many of these countries don't teach their students to think for themselves.

Learning is almost by rote and students aren't shown how to think "outside of the box"

DH has worked in some of these countries as a freelance consultant (engineering) and he always complains about how much hand holding they need and how little initiative they have.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-38212070

But be careful. The ranking is for the UK as a whole. Regions have different positions. None are very good.

practically all other countries have a much better educational outcome
Where did you get that info?

It'll be caning and cutting the lawn with small scissors again, once we finish Brexit.

Up with the flag! Down with the bridges!

Meanwhile, practically all other countries have a much better educational outcome...

My son is due to start there in sept 18. He is autistic and canno organise himself. I will have to micromanage his day, remember oops and stationery for him etc. I will do my best to make sure he has everything.. I do think reasonable adjustments should be made for kids with additional needs. Wearing. The uniform is going to be a challenge for my son, shirt, tie blazer as he is over sensitive to touch and can't stand tight restrictive clothing. He will accept it as it is a rule but he will find it difficult. People don't understand how difficult it is for kids with Sen.

I’ve no objections to that. I’ve worked in Exams where students don’t bring pens or any other equipment.

There is literally no excuse for turning up to school without a pen! My daughter once got a conduct slip for not having a glue stick, which I felt was a little harsh, but a pen!

If they really want to teach pupils about life, not only should they hammer down on the most disorganised and maximise their exclusion from education, they should charge the poorest kids the most and divert extra resources to buy even more pens for those who already have more than enough pens, then structure privilege in a way to reward those with the most pens with additional qualifications. Internships should only be available to those with many pens, so that those without pens are unable to ever secure any pens. Also you could then fine them, in pens, so that if they do bring a pen in, you can take it away to pay the fine, and then punish them again for not having a pen.

When the school runs out of real pens for reward, they can give the owed pens to the kids with the most real pens.

this happens at my D.C's school as well. Seems reasonable to me, must be a complete PITA to have to start every lesson scrabbling round for pens for the kids who haven't got one.

Ok. I stand corrected. I Don't work in education.