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It is really feasible to do 4 "hard" A levels?

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Kazzyhoward · 03/08/2017 11:35

DS is forecast grades 8 and 9 in his GCSEs across the board. He is wanting to take all 3 sciences and Maths at A level. These are the subjects he enjoys. At this stage (argh!), he has no clue about what career he wants to go into! School/teachers seem happy enough to let him do them with the usual warnings of them being hard subjects etc. Just wondering if any parents/teachers have experience of kids doing these 4 A levels and whether it's realistically feasible to get decent passes. My personal view is to run for the hills and choose just 3 A levels of a different mix, maybe one science, Maths, and a humanity or economics/business studies, but perhaps that would do him a great dis-service. Very difficult when he hasn't a clue about career nor what degree subject he'll take at uni.

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RedSandYellowSand · 04/08/2017 21:06

Oh, and 'hard' subjects is all relative. I promise you those 4 were the easiest a levels i could have done for me. Anything else would have required a lot more effort!

RedSandYellowSand · 04/08/2017 21:04

20 years ago, that is what i did (plus General studies).
Personally, I'd have found it much harder to drop 2 of them and do a humanity, as i would have had to work much harder at it than the sciences.

If those are what he wants, and school are happy, I'd start all 4, and then after he has seen what's involved, started the courses and thought a bit further into uni, then drop one (don't do what I did, start bio, chem, phys then get to Christmas and realise that maths was needed for many of the interesting uni courses, and start maths one term in!)

Littledrummergirl · 04/08/2017 20:04

Ds1 is going into yr13 in September. He did all three sciences and maths last year (some of his friends are also doing further maths, he opted against). He is planning to drop either maths or physics for next year but is still trying to decide which one.

BertrandRussell · 04/08/2017 19:58

The high achieving 6th form ds is hoping to go to used to encourage 4, and expected a lot of extra curricular stuff as well. Now, they expect kids to start 4, then drop to 3 at Christmas or Easter, except in very exceptional circumstances.

Stickerrocks · 04/08/2017 18:44

We've been looking at 6th form for Sept 18 and have been repeatedly told that DD should only take 3 subjects regardless of how bright she is under the new papers.

TipTop333 · 03/08/2017 19:37

From a sixth form tutor's perspective, I agree with PP - 3 excellent a levels are better than 4 that might not be as good. These subjects have an enormous amount of content and the jump from gcse to a level is astonishing.

Unihorn · 03/08/2017 19:36

It was quite common amongst people I went to school with but I don't know how much it's changed now. I did 5 AS levels and worked 10 hours a week with no problems. I was going to continue with 4 academic A Levels but I'm lazy as fuck so dropped one. I did no extracurricular stuff/hobbies/instruments because I wasn't interested, apart from being head girl which didn't require much effort outside of attending school council meetings now and again. I came out with all As and got into all my university choices.

As others have stated, overlap in the sciences helps a bit too so In would encourage him to give it a go. Much easier to drop than to pick up anyway.

BikeRunSki · 03/08/2017 19:33

Back in the last 1980s I started Maths, Physics, Chemistry and Biology.
It was hard, and I ended up dropping Biology after about 6 months - I wasn't that interested, and realistically it served no real purpose to my future career ambitions, since I'd decided that I didn't want to be a vet any more anyway.

There is a lot of overlap between Maths and Physics, and a bit between Physics and Chemistry, but high contact time and good aptitude needed for Maths. Still need to write some essays for Physics and Chemistry - my highly crafted essay on "The Wave-Particle Duality of Light and Electrons" got me through both A levels and a couple of years of my degree!

OhYouBadBadKitten · 03/08/2017 19:31

You don't need extra curricular stuff on your ucas application. You need to demonstrate why you love a particular subject, backing it up if you can with evidence as to what you have done extra in that subject, even if that's just reading round the subject.

don't encourage him to do a mix if he doesn't want to.

TheFallenMadonna · 03/08/2017 19:30

Biology not a respected A level?

Bloke1976 · 03/08/2017 19:26

Going back a couple of years now, but I taught a girl who took 5 A levels. Physics, Maths, Further Maths, Chemistry and Statistics I think. She kept all of them for year 13. Passed all 5 and went to Oxford studying Maths.

The only student in 15 years of teaching I've seen pull it off. She was a very gifted student though.

So yes it is possible but the work will be very challenging.

BobbinThreadbare123 · 03/08/2017 19:24

Depends on capability. I did 5 A Levels but played a sport, did a drama club, quiz teams and did Duke of Edinburgh as well. We weren't encouraged to do loads of extra-curricular compared to today's children, but I fit it all in.

Mulledwine1 · 03/08/2017 19:20

I think sticking to 3 and having a life outside is better than doing 4.

You need extra-curricular things to put on your UCAS form - if you're doing 4 A levels when are you going to find the time to eg play a sport or an instrument or any hobby or DofE etc?

BobbinThreadbare123 · 03/08/2017 19:16

Speaking as a recently ex-teacher, please let your son do the A Levels he would like to do, and that he would enjoy. Three sciences and maths is a powerful combo and if he does well, he'll have his pick of universities. This country is crying out for engineers, physicists and chemists!

The most respected combination (yes, there are tables ranking the A Level subjects) for uni application would be physics, maths and chemistry. Biology not so much.

Do also bear in mind that AS Levels have become a stand alone and many schools are not entering students for them.

Milliways · 03/08/2017 18:53

Agree with Superpug. My DD did 5 AS levels (Maths, Eng Lit, History, French & German) but found the sheer number of essays a killer, so dropped History and did the rest as full A2s. A lot of her friends did the 3 sciences and Maths, particularly the medic applicants.

safariboot · 03/08/2017 18:50

If DS has an aptitude for maths and science then they aren't hard for him. Sciences usually involve a lot less essay writing than humanities, and when I did my A-levels my textbooks were considerably shorter than some others.

If he wants to do a science degree at a decent university he'll want maths and two sciences anyway.

SuperPug · 03/08/2017 18:39

I'm not sure why these A Levels are labelled "hard" tbh. I think it's that perception which puts a lot of girls off and therefore means they're less represented in STEM careers and subjects.
I did a mixture of the ones above and Arts. I found science harder because I wasn't very good at it. But it's not hard if you have a natural aptitude for it. Similarly, some people find languages a doddle, others wouldn't.
The new A Levels are tough. I teach a subject which is not science based and it's the hardest specification I've ever had to teach. I really feel for the pupils.

Mycarsmellsoflavender · 03/08/2017 18:30

I think his plan of doing 4 related subjects that he enjoys ( very important!) is much better than your idea of doing 4 unrelated subjects, sorry!

OrlandaFuriosa · 03/08/2017 18:28

The advice on better three excellent than four not is spot on.

Be aware also that some HEIs discount further maths for some courses, just as some HEIs insist on it.

The issue is workload.

What you seriously don't want is eg Physics, Chemistry, Biology/Maths and Art because the Art workload is huge.

EggysMom · 03/08/2017 18:22

Depends whether he has an affinity for the subjects, or struggles with them - one child could easily manage four hard A-levels, another could struggle with two simpler topics. As we don't know your son, how can we say? You're the best judge!

CauliflowerSqueeze · 03/08/2017 18:17

The new specs have a huge amount more content. Universities offer 3 grades. We recommend 3 A levels now and not 4. Better to get 3 high grades than juggle 4.

Bobbiepin · 03/08/2017 18:13

Starting with 4 A levels is perfectly normal, even with the change in specifications. This leaves him open to dropping a subject later on, either mid year or after AS. If he were to start with 3 and find he doesn't lile one, after October he would not be able to drop a subject or change as it would affect the school's funding. If he is prepared for the work that comes with it (maths and chemistry are notoriously difficult) then go for it. Don't push him into taking humanities subjects on the premise that theu are easier, if he doesn't like it he will not work as well for it and subjects like history or psychology are just as tough.

sendsummer · 03/08/2017 18:04

Starting off with those four would be perfectly doable if the school allows it. I would advise him to reassess at the end of the first term.
Does he like physics and biology equally?

TheFallenMadonna · 03/08/2017 16:05

With the changes to A levels, starting 4 is becoming more uncommon. It requires special guidance at both 6th forms DS has applied to.