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School Shoes - Opinions Please - Shoes or Trainers?

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Housemum · 02/08/2017 10:51

The rules for our local secondary school state:
"No Boots, trainers, sports shoes, plimsolls, fabric or any shoe with sports branding, boots, Uggs, sandals, mules, flip flops, stiletto heels, court shoes"

So are these shoes or trainers? I think they are not trainers as you wouldn't play sport in them (and not made by a trainer brand) and they are called shoes, some of my friends disagree.

This Style

And surely the majority of Velcro shoes on this page of school shoes would also be trainers if this style isn't a shoe?

page of school shoes

Searching here for advice as have asked 6 local mums, the only ones I'm FB friends with who have secondary kids, and they have been divided 50/50 - I like these shoes as they are the only ones to fit well on her narrow feet (and she won't do laces - coordination issues possibly linked to her autism or possibly just laziness!)

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Housemum · 02/08/2017 22:49

It's frustrating that I went to a "school shoe" shop yet loads of the styles look like they aren't "shoes"!

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TeenAndTween · 02/08/2017 16:25

lougle Wouldn't be allowed at our school except in special circumstances like yours due to high ankle

lougle · 02/08/2017 16:13

DD1 is going to wear these ankle boots. She's got some problems with her ankles and she's going to a special school, so I doubt they'll be too worried, but as far as I'm concerned they're black, and they're mostly leather. That's good enough.

School Shoes - Opinions Please - Shoes or Trainers?
MaisyPops · 02/08/2017 16:08

Most schools will be like that ifonly in my experience. They're generally reasonable if there are issues.

Where schools get annoyed is when people spend a small fortune on branded cool trainers that are designed to be fashionable and somehow (despite being blatantly trainers!) mask as shoes despite being told the rules. Those parents kick off saying 'But I just spent £70 on these shoes and now you're telling me they aren't shoes' and are usually the ones by September 10th in the local press with their moody faces on about how their child's learning is being disputed because the school have placed them in isolation for deliberately ignoring school rules.

ifonly4 · 02/08/2017 16:03

First impressions - I'd say trainers. If in any doubt, contact the school, explain you're having problems finding shoes that fit and see what they say. Take a note of who you speak to, so if any issues are raised when she starts you can refer back.

My DD has always been very petite and I struggled to find exactly what the school wanted for a few things. They were really helpful and told me what they would accept as an alternative. They stipulated laces (not velcro) but DD's feet were so small she was still in young kids shoes/trainers and I had no choice - the school happily accepted my argument.

MaisyPops · 02/08/2017 15:58

The velcro ones would probably be fine in primary but wouldn't work at secondary though.

As a general rule, if there's a question mark or you think they are trainer styled then they probably aren't ok.

If your child has additional needs, speak to the school first week back and see if they can take it into account. E.g. I have had students with sensory needs who've had some ammendments made to their uniform Eg wearing a top under the shirt, not having to wear a jumper/blazer, flexibility on footwear etc.

TeenAndTween · 02/08/2017 15:49

Definitely wouldn't be allowed at DD's secondary.

sashh · 02/08/2017 12:08

A lot of schools are starting to say, "shoes that can be polished" to solve the argument over trainers/shoes.

Generally trainers/uggs/canvas can't be.

AlexanderHamilton · 02/08/2017 12:02

Ds has very small narrow feet (& asd). He began a very strict secondary school wearing these.

www.geox.com/en/back-to-school/jr-william-black-J54E6A00043C9999.html?cgid=hidden-back-to-school-fw17#prefn1=hexadecBasicColor&prefv1=Black&page=1&start=5

AlexanderHamilton · 02/08/2017 11:55

They would be acceptable at most primary schools but would be deemed too trainer like at all the secondaries in my area.

ohdearymeno · 02/08/2017 11:51

Definitely trainers. You'd get a call on the first day of term at my school, asking you to replace them.

Housemum · 02/08/2017 11:46

They look definitely shoe-like so wouldn't fall foul of trainer rules. Where are they from, they are nice?

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FluffyDavis · 02/08/2017 11:44

I've just bought these for ds starting secondary in sept!
Should I have gone for lace up? Confused

School Shoes - Opinions Please - Shoes or Trainers?
ineedaholidaynow · 02/08/2017 11:42

I am sure on threads where children have trouble tying laces I have seen people recommend no-tie laces. Not sure whether they would work with lace up school shoes.

WaxOnFeckOff · 02/08/2017 11:39

My DS is 16 and whilst not one of the main cool set, he is popular and hangs out with the rocky/band type people - he has long hair etc. He wears velcro shoes (Kickers) mainly because he is ham fisted (possible dispraxia) and I got fed up waiting for him to tie his laces to get out the house. He wears laced trainers so can do it, it's just painful t watch.

I think the original style listed would be fine in DSs school but they aren't that strict to be honest. I'd say they are trainer style shoes.

UnicornMadeOfPinkGlitter · 02/08/2017 11:35

Dd is about to start secondary school and we have brought these as she had them last year and they lasted the whole school year.

www.marksandspencer.com/kids-freshfeet-leather-brogue-school-shoes-now-available-in-extra-widths-and-half-sizes/p/dsd3ae2c5a38898d982be446f830cabd09?prevPage=plp

Housemum · 02/08/2017 11:34

And the girls wearing boy clothes is a bit of a fashion thing here too - there is a whole group of "gender-fluid" girls choosing to dress as boys (which has partly led to the uniform changes, so many girls were wearing the unisex shirts rather than the v neck blouse, that they now say that if you wear high neck style you have to wear a tie, which girls were exempt from before)

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UnicornMadeOfPinkGlitter · 02/08/2017 11:32

Email the link to the school and ask them. If they know if your daughters issues they may make allowances.

cantkeepawayforever · 02/08/2017 11:32

IME, girls at secondary tend to wear brogue-style shoes, whether they wear trousers or skirts. I'd look for 'lace alternatives' to replace the laces in them - there are different types available - rather than velcro.

Housemum · 02/08/2017 11:32

Interesting, around here lots of the boys wear Velcro up until year 11! I was trying to squint at a school photo, there were quite a few slip-ons and some that looked like the ones in the link - but the school has just re-issued its uniform policy so I'm worried that they will be stricter at least at first.

Her younger sister wears lace-ups quite happily.

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eyebrowsonfleek · 02/08/2017 11:28

Schools range in strictness so you need someone from your school trousers rally.

That style is popular for primary school boys but would not be accepted at our secondary school. (Some of the lace ups on the second are fine) Velcro wouldn't be socially accepted anyway. (Boy or girl)

My dd wears brogues and my son who's starting y7 will be getting lace ups.

LIZS · 02/08/2017 11:28

How about a brogue style?

cantkeepawayforever · 02/08/2017 11:27

It doesn't matter whether they are trainers or shoes - they are partly made from fabric, and thus would fall foul of that part of the rule.

A few on the whole page would fall foul of the same part of the rule - I find it interesting that the difference between the geox shoes labelled shoes, and those labelled trainers on that page is the area of fabric on those called 'trainers'.

So similar styling, but all-leather, would possibly be OK - though tbh, although I have seen girls in boys' shoes at primary, I have never, ever seen it at secondary.

Housemum · 02/08/2017 11:25

Thank you - think I will go back and exchange them. They are for a girl but she wears trousers and wants to wear shoes like the boys, so loafers and pumps are out as "too girly" (I like those Tesco ones but not a cat in hell's chance of getting her to even try them on!)

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SheSparkles · 02/08/2017 11:15

They are shoes, but made to look like trainers, you couldn't play sport in them