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Five teachers have left DD's school including two of her GCSE teachers!

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JufusMum · 24/07/2017 09:25

DD has told me that five of her teachers have left her school including her German and her Maths teacher, the head of English and both pastoral care teachers.

She goes in year 11 in September and I'm worried about continuity for her German and Maths GCSEs. Apparently her new Maths teacher is the teacher who has previously only taught Business. Should I be worried?

School is dying on it's arse and she doesn't intend to stay there for 6th form.

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DoctorDonnaNoble · 24/07/2017 17:12

It is bad. But not as bad as User has implied. We even have a 'real' English teacher lined up for my maternity leave starting in January. Which is better than two years ago when no one applied.
We've lost a lot of staff this time. Interestingly all to retirement or independent sector no one is staying in the state sector.

Goingtobeawesome · 24/07/2017 17:06

I'll be sure, not, to tell my child you're accusing them of lying.

TeenAndTween · 24/07/2017 15:59

Academies can appoint anyone off the street as a 'teacher'.

So can private schools.

I don't suppose Eton/Harrow/Winchester do though, without very good cause. Neither do I expect decent Academies to either, especially in maths as poor maths results will screw their progress 8 measures / Ofsted ratings etc.

It is not even clear whether the school is LA controlled or Academy or Private. At that size I wouldn't be too surprised if it were private. Year groups of 50-60 is way too small to be sensibly viable imo.

Ifailed · 24/07/2017 15:48

I don't like the idea of a business teacher teaching maths though

At least they are a trained and experienced teacher. Academies can appoint anyone off the street as a 'teacher'.

TeenAndTween · 24/07/2017 15:42

I could easily imagine a 10% turn over rate for secondary teachers?

I don't like the idea of a business teacher teaching maths though (unless they are really a maths teacher in disguise)

BeautifulWintersMorning · 24/07/2017 14:41

52 is very small for a state school high school year group. How many are in the whole school?

JufusMum · 24/07/2017 14:37

I guess I should have pointed out we are a very small school - only 52 children in DD's year, about average for all other years, so there are actually not that many teachers in the school!

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Beelzebop · 24/07/2017 13:28

As a teacher who left after a mental health crisis caused by the job I plead to all parents to start making noise about this! I loved my job, was very good and would love to go back. If conditions changed, I would be back in a shot! It's even difficult to get a part time post, none available!

Tw1nsetAndPearls · 24/07/2017 13:27

@OhOhDearling I certainly didn't mean to imply that the poster was lying - the exact opposite. Even Chinese whispers start with a nugget of truth. That's why I was wondering if the teacher had been offered redundancy in a meeting and then told the class or if a long term supply teacher had been told that they wouldn't be needed after tomorrow.

OhOhDearling · 24/07/2017 13:25

twinset - goingtobeawesome has been around for several years, I'ld be amazed if she was lying, it's really not her style. much more likely to be a case of chinese whispers -

leccybill · 24/07/2017 13:22

21 left when I left last year. 10 of them left teaching entirely.

5 seems completely normal. People move on for promotions, closer to home, different experience, loads of reasons.

Tw1nsetAndPearls · 24/07/2017 13:19

All of our NQTs apart from one are leaving teaching altogether. Not just leaving the school but leaving the profession.

Tw1nsetAndPearls · 24/07/2017 13:18

I am just wondering if the teacher who was "sacked" was long term supply and he was told that he would not be needed again. I don't like to think that posters are knowingly lying.

noblegiraffe · 24/07/2017 12:52

My school is losing a shedload more than 5!

Yes I'd be worried about a business studies teacher teaching the new maths GCSE, get a tutor if you can afford it, if not, there are many videos on line which can help.

This is the teacher recruitment and retention crisis in action. The one that the government says isn't happening.

LockedOutOfMN · 24/07/2017 12:52

My school had 29 teachers leave at the end of this past term (our school goes through from 2 to 18). This is in addition to teaching assistants, support and administrative staff. The whole Chemistry department is leaving!

BackforGood · 24/07/2017 12:49

5 ?

I take your 5 and raise you.

My dd (also going into Yr11) knows of 17 who are leaving.
I have to say 'only 5' is a pretty low turnover at a secondary school.

user1497480444 · 24/07/2017 12:48

We've had 9 leave and most of those are computing / food tech / PE and we've 13 new joiners including in modern languages, maths and science so not sure how the school is managing that one when every other school is cutting

most likely temporary and agency staff, paid by the hour, no sick leave etc, term time only, no commitment on either side, can leave without notice.

user1497480444 · 24/07/2017 12:46

Could the teacher have been made redundant?

no, that doesn't happen on the spot, that is a long negotiation between management and unions.

Could he have returned to collect his things rather than teach?

no, they would have been collected for him.

Obviously a sacked teacher has no access to students.

toledanosunshie · 24/07/2017 12:44

We've had 9 leave and most of those are computing / food tech / PE and we've 13 new joiners including in modern languages, maths and science so not sure how the school is managing that one when every other school is cutting

Tw1nsetAndPearls · 24/07/2017 12:40

Could the teacher have been made redundant?

Could he have returned to collect his things rather than teach?

user1497480444 · 24/07/2017 12:35

One dc has told me a science teacher was removed from class then at the end of the lesson he returned to say he'd been sacked.

well, this isn't true, a teacher who has just been sacked on the spot would certainly not have been returning to the classroom.

More likely he was temporary, or agency and had just been informed his contract was not being renewed.

Tw1nsetAndPearls · 24/07/2017 12:32

Yet according to the government everything is fine, there is no funding or morale crisis.

Goingtobeawesome · 24/07/2017 12:22

One dc has told me a science teacher was removed from class then at the end of the lesson he returned to say he'd been sacked. Another dc tells me a teacher is awful when teaching year nine but good when teaching year tens. He swears at them a lot and another shouts a lot and says horrible things. This is meant to be one of the top schools teaching this gender. Confused.

user1497480444 · 24/07/2017 12:22

Welcome to the brave new world of the teaching crisis.

exactly, all children are being taught by non specialists and supply - just be grateful there is an adult in the room at all, we are fast approaching the stage where there won't be.

My school lost 20 this term.

The remaining teachers have all been told to expect to teach outside their subject area next year.

BelafonteRavenclaw · 24/07/2017 12:18

Sounds pretty standard sadly. We've lost 9 teachers this year and cannot afford to replace them (budget cuts). I'm teaching 3 subjects (at GCSE level) outside my subject area next year. Terrifying times.

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