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Teachers say 14 year old is too quiet in class

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candlelight22 · 08/07/2017 08:50

Just had son's report and all his teachers say he is far too quiet. One even said he is the quietest he's ever taught!

He says he doesn't see the need to talk in class, but when a teacher asks a question they only ever get a one word answer. He will never ask a question, not even after all the lesson when others have gone.

His grades are good (mostly Bs and As with a smattering of Cs) but they all say his silence is hindering his progress. This makes me sad as he has so much potential, but might under achieve because of his silence/shyness.

I am worried as GCSE year starts soon. He's got no issues in school and was always quiet in primary school. We hoped he would grow out of it but seems not.

What can I do? He's not a great communicator out of school! We talk a lot as a family.

What should the school do? All very well saying he is quiet, but they need to do something to support him I think.

He's choosing science options as he likes these best.
Pleas help. No idea how to approach this. He's not going to change overnight.

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GreenTuftyFlowers · 10/07/2017 15:37

I think this paragraph in the 'low profile selective mutism' section is significant, especially with regard to schools:

"Until it is recognised that they are unable to report bullying or illness, seek help, ask permission or explain themselves, these young people are at risk. Their difficulties may go unnoticed and they may be reprimanded, rather than supported, when they don’t speak up for themselves. Repeated encouragement to speak louder and make more of a contribution only heightens their discomfort. If their difficulties continue to be mismanaged, they are likely to speak less and less with an increase in school absence and decrease in self-esteem."

If you have doubts, it's probably worth considering whether any of the above applies to you/your child/your pupil.

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Acornantics · 10/07/2017 14:06

A teacher at DSs primary school helped me have a 'lightbulb' moment.

We were worried about quiet DSs' confidence levels, and she said rather than them being low, his confidence in himself was very high, he just didn't feel the need to constantly share that in class; he'd answer a question if asked, read out loud very competently, was diligent, kind, helpful, academically very strong, but she observed that he thought a lot rather than spoke a lot...none of this concerned us at all.

Like PP, when teachers tell us he's quiet, we just say 'yes, we know' and we ask politely how that can be accommodated in the class.

GreenTuftyFlowers · 10/07/2017 14:00

This document below addresses a lot of the points raised here, it's taken from the Selective Mutism Resource Manual, the 'gold standard' treatment manual for Selective Mutism. The section on 'low profile selective mutism' is particularly worth a read.

An information sheet for parents and professionals

QUIET CHILD or SELECTIVE MUTISM?

Some children are naturally quiet and present a similar personality at home and in school. They do not venture a lot of information but can become quite animated with a familiar topic that captures their imagination. Provided they are coping academically, have a good friend or two and are not being bullied, quiet children move easily between their home and school environments without anxiety. Their relaxed body language and facial expressions show that they are happy to listen, without necessarily feeling the need to talk as much as their noisier peers.

Not all quiet children are comfortable with silence

For some quiet children and young people, however, it’s a very different picture. They may have an anxiety disorder called selective mutism (SM) – a phobia of speaking in specific situations. These individuals do not want to be quiet. They may have plenty to say but are unable to speak freely – just the thought of speaking to certain people fills them with dread and can trigger a panic or ‘freeze’ reaction. Typically, they feel a blockage in the throat as their muscles tense, and they cannot produce sound to talk, laugh or cry out loud.

When is it selective mutism?

Although no two children with SM are exactly the same, they all have:

• the ability to talk freely to certain people and not others (often described as ‘two personalities’)
• a consistent pattern of situations where speech is possible and not possible
• avoidance or reluctance to attend events where they will be expected to speak
• high levels of distress when their difficulty speaking freely is not understood.

Some children with SM are recognised more easily than others …

High-profile selective mutism

These children and young people do not speak at all to certain people. They are therefore quite easily recognised by the observable contrasts in their speaking patterns. They may speak to children in their educational setting, for example, but not adults. They may speak freely to their friends in the playground but not in the classroom where they will be overheard by other people. They may speak to relatives they see on a regular basis, but not those they see infrequently. And, typically, they speak to parents as soon as they move out of earshot of other people.

Once recognised, there is generally a willingness to accept that these children have an anxiety-related communication difficulty. Steps can be taken to remove all pressure to speak, followed by a gradual step-by-step approach to face their fear of talking. Importantly, with the right support, the children themselves recognise that SM is not part of their personality, but something that can be overcome, like other fears they worked through when they were younger; for example, a fear of darkness, fireworks or jumping in at the deep end of the swimming pool.

Low-profile selective mutism

Children with low-profile SM speak when prompted, so adults usually regard them as either shy or quiet and don’t realise that speaking provokes the same intense anxiety as high-profile SM. These children manage to say a few words because of their strong desire to be compliant. In effect, their fear of the consequences of not speaking outweighs their fear of speaking, but this fine balance only operates when they are fairly confident about the subject matter. So, in school, they may answer the register or read aloud on request, and can answer simple questions, albeit with a much quieter voice and less eye contact than they would use at other times. They may occasionally initiate an essential request, such as using the toilet, or pass on a short message when instructed. In contrast, they do not enter into reciprocal two-way conversation or initiate conversations, except with close friends and family.

Until it is recognised that they are unable to report bullying or illness, seek help, ask permission or explain themselves, these young people are at risk. Their difficulties may go unnoticed and they may be reprimanded, rather than supported, when they don’t speak up for themselves. Repeated encouragement to speak louder and make more of a contribution only heightens their discomfort. If their difficulties continue to be mismanaged, they are likely to speak less and less with an increase in school absence and decrease in self-esteem.

Children with low-profile and high-profile SM need the same help to achieve anxiety-free communication and participation.

Supporting children and young people who have selective mutism

• Appoint a member of staff to make a special relationship with the child or young person on a one-to-one basis.
• Actively support the development of friendships and inclusion in pastoral activities.
• Be patient and don’t pressurise the child or young person to speak; focus on discovering and acknowledging their many strengths and attributes.
• Seek advice or information on providing appropriate help from:

NHS choices www.nhs.uk/conditions/selective-mutism

Selective Mutism Information and Research Association (SMIRA)
www.smira.org.uk

Source: The Selective Mutism Resource Manual by Maggie Johnson and Alison Wintgens, Speechmark Publications

starfishmummy · 10/07/2017 13:43

My oarents wefe always being told I was quiet at school.
Sometimes I am still quiet.

Hasnt done me any harm. (Went to uni, got mydegree and good job)

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ReinettePompadour · 10/07/2017 13:36

noblegiraffe this is a genuine question by the way, what as a teacher could you do to help ?

Why shouldn't a child be quiet when getting good grades?

I genuinely don't understand.

To me its preferable for a child to be quiet and get good grades, noisy children with mediocre grades really need pulling into line and made to sit down and be quiet so they can be taught properly surely?

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noblegiraffe · 10/07/2017 13:24

why should his parents be made to feel theres something wrong with their child when theres no need for any real concern given his grades?

I meant to respond to this bit too. If a child is unable to (not just reluctant to) talk to a teacher or answer a question or make a request after a lesson then there is a problem, regardless of grades. Schools have pastoral roles as well as educational ones and they shouldn't just ignore a child who is doing well in class if they are obviously struggling socially.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 10/07/2017 13:24

Reinhardt, I think you might be missing the point that introversion and social anxiety are not the same thing.

Not all introverts are socially anxious, and the OP's DS may not be. But if it's being flagged up by every teacher as an issue that may be affecting his work, then it might be worth ruling out anything more than just introversion.

isittheholidaysyet · 10/07/2017 12:47

I remember my history A level class. There was only me and one other student who would answer questions.
It got painful. Teacher asked question, I knew answer immediately, deathly silence in the room. When it became uncomfortable, the two of us would look at each other and one of us would answer.
I have no idea who it was supposed to be benefitting. I was not being challenged by these questions, and I presume he wasn't. I have no idea what the rest of the class thought, (did they know the answer or not?) I can't see what the teacher learned (assessment wise).
The exam was 100% written, I could have done with far more help on research and essay skills. I'm not sure what the point of answering class questions was?

Badbadbunny · 10/07/2017 12:32

A student doesn't like answering questions out in class but has excellent homework/class work then why make a big fuss over them being quiet?

My thoughts exactly. That was me and it's now my son. Even with a string of A/A* in his yearly reports, the teachers still whinge about him being quiet. So what!

noblegiraffe · 10/07/2017 12:05

noblegiraffe I think you are missing the point of introvert children.

I'm not. You're missing the point that sometimes the problem is not just that the child is an introvert but actually there is an issue like social anxiety or selective mutism that needs to be addressed and comments like 'oh they're just an introvert and teachers don't understand' won't be helpful.

ReinettePompadour · 10/07/2017 11:48

noblegiraffe I think you are missing the point of introvert children. They don't need 'intervention' they just need to be considered in the way teachers teach them.

Parents don't need to see the SENCO because their children do not generally have Special Needs they just need a slightly altered approach by the staff.

Unfortunately lots of staff will only change their teaching method if someone has seen a SENCO and been diagnosed with something or has a GP recommend something different and its popped onto the childs file which is stigmatising and labelling those children when its not necessary.

Teachers just need to take on board, not every child is outgoing, chatty, a drama queen and some children are quiet, thoughtful, and like to take in everything without any of the drama lots of teenagers seem to relish in.

A student doesn't like answering questions out in class but has excellent homework/class work then why make a big fuss over them being quiet?

Had they said ' candlelight22 DS is very quiet and his work if falling well below the expected level ' then yes, absolutely see the SENCO. Given he's just quiet and his work is good why should his parents be made to feel theres something wrong with their child when theres no need for any real concern given his grades?

noblegiraffe · 10/07/2017 09:41

I was so socially anxious

Exactly. This is not about being an introvert, it is an issue that needs proper intervention and support.

Teachers teach hundreds of kids, loads of whom are introverts. We're used to it. If a teacher is telling you that your child is the quietest they've ever taught and they're worried that it will affect their studies then they are saying it's not normal introversion but an issue that needs looking into properly.

Teachers don't collaborate before parents' evening to make sure you hear different things so if you are hearing the same thing from every teacher it's worth considering if what they are saying is actually a problem. An individual teacher isn't the person to do this and expecting every teacher to pick up on it and 'intervene' appropriately won't happen. The parents should contact the SENCO if they are worried.

Badbadbunny · 10/07/2017 08:22

His teachers who understand him have found ways to help him, by putting him into small groups where he feels happier to contribute.

Which is what the decent teachers do rather than making all their pupils confirm to their blinkered teaching approach. I remember a couple of teachers who successfully managed to bring me out of my shell for their lessons. They did it gradually and by nurturing rather than by stealth!

Badbadbunny · 10/07/2017 08:19

Just wish teachers would stop going on about his quietness at every parents' eve and in reports. It's not at all helpful, unless they're going to do something about it/or leave him alone.

This!! Just what is the point in all the teachers wasting time at parent's evening saying the same thing and writing the same thing on reports. As a parent, I can't make my child be more talkative in class. All I can do is pass on the comments!

I was exactly the same when I was at school - I'd just sit in silence and pretend not to know an answer, even if asked outright as I was so socially anxious - so it made me look even more of a fool. I'd even bunk off lessons to avoid having to give class presentations or talks. Thankfully, some teachers understood and stopped asking me questions - they knew I knew my stuff from my good written work - unfortunately, some other teachers just kept on and on trying to change me which just made things worse!!

But it has done me no harm as I have managed a successful professional career and now run my own business. Just a few months ago, I gave a successful presentation to a room full of a couple of hundred people.

School is already a toxic environment for people who are square pegs in round holes. You're more likely to get bullied, more likely to suffer social exclusion, so the last thing you want is teachers drawing attention to you all the time by constantly asking questions and making you do presentations and talks, when it's blatantly clear that you're not comfortable doing it!!!

Acornantics · 10/07/2017 08:09

This is exactly my DS too! His first form to tutor at high school told us she was concerned as he was reading too much and some of the other children were teasing him about it...Apparently this was his problem, not theirs! Hmm

His grades are very strong, his reports are exemplary and he has a small group of lovely friends at school, but the consistent comment is 'he's very quiet' or 'he needs to contribute more in class' which we know is an important part of a well-rounded education, but is really tricky for a naturally introverted person.

His teachers who understand him have found ways to help him, by putting him into small groups where he feels happier to contribute.

We lived overseas for a few years and the DCs attended school there. So he's been way out of his comfort zone and coped really well, but it hasn't changed his personality or his leaning towards being a quieter person....that's just who he is.

mumsneedwine · 10/07/2017 07:53

I used to want to stick a post it note on my head saying 'yes, I know she's quiet' at parents evening. She's now training to be a doctor so hasn't done her any harm. She just didn't want to speak in class. Ever.

candlelight22 · 10/07/2017 07:23

I am reading with great interest all your advice.

I am phoning the school this morning to see if we can work together to help DS. He is different and they need to be able to deal with different pupils. I think the idea of having a friendly teacher help with prepared questions would be good starting point.

I've just packed him off for five days training camp with the CCF so he must be able to communicate his needs etc. DS is also a decent tennis player (coach says one of his main skills is that he 's calm, measured and doesn't give anything away - so it has its up side!)

Just wish teachers would stop going on about his quietness at every parents' eve and in reports. It's not at all helpful, unless they're going to do something about it/or leave him alone.

ItsOnlyReallyMe - encouraged by you saying that your children's grades didn't suffer. Teachers are warning him that if he doesn't contribute more he won't get as good grades as others who talk up. How much pressure does that put on him? To try and be something he's not? Not happy with that approach!

Really, thanks everyone. Relieved to know we're not alone.

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oldbirdy · 10/07/2017 07:19

pengggwn there are specific interventions for children with severe communication anxiety that involve subtle changes in teacher approach which can indeed do what op wants. I could describe some if you wish. The crucial thing is that the emphasis moves from trying to elicit speech to trying to reduce anxiety, so that speech can come on its own.

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ItsReallyOnlyMe · 09/07/2017 22:26

I would agree with you Bubbles for an extreme case. I was just trying to reassure the OP that following my experience that at age 14 there is every likelihood that the situation will improve with age and confidence. Confidence will grow in time by being exposed to differing social situations as long as an individual is comfortable. From my experience this cannot be 'forced' or rushed or changed by a teacher mentioning to a student at this awkward age. That is why I never showed my own children any concern with this issue. So far this technique has worked. I encouraged them both to get holiday jobs (successfully) and both did voluntary work before this. Saying all this, I do, however, work in a profession where the extrovert version allegedly looks at someone else's shoes when talking to them !

BubblesBuddy · 09/07/2017 21:13

However, not communicating into adulthood can have detrimental effects on getting a job, even in STEM occupations. No matter how gifted you are. See my earlier post.

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