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Have your dc learnt about binary / counting in bases other than 10 in maths?

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Sadik · 05/07/2017 18:16

Just curious - dd went on an event today for yr 10 pupils interested in taking maths/further maths A level. She was telling me about it, and that in one of the sessions the opening qu. was along the lines of 'who knows what binary is'. She gave a minimal summary answer assuming this was a noddy-lets-get-this-started question, but it became apparant that many of the others there either hadn't heard of binary at all or didn't really understand what it was.

We talked about it, and she says that she thinks they haven't ever actually studied non-base 10 counting in school (she knows about it because 'well, y'know, it just is, isn't it').

I'm sure even in the depths of history 1970s we did non-base-10 counting in primary (at a minimal level - wiggling our toes to count in base 20 - that sort of thing). I also don't quite see how you understand place value if you don't do not-base-10-counting? (Or understand how your computer works if you don't know what binary is Confused )

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QuackDuckQuack · 10/07/2017 12:34

In the 1980s in primary school we had a wookbook that included a section on binary. We were told that we were skipping that bit as we didn't need to know it. So I guess it fell off the primary curriculum between the 1970s when others on the thread learned it and then.

I got my Dad to teach it to me when we skipped it as I wasn't happy to have something in a workbook at my level that I didn't understand.

RolyRocks · 10/07/2017 11:29

Loving the Jokes!

Currently at home planning my Year 7, 8 and 9 lessons and the part of the curriculum for these year groups in their Computing lessons (a lot of schools will still call it ICT though) is here:

"Understand simple Boolean logic [for example, AND, OR and NOT] and some of its uses in circuits and programming; understand how numbers can be represented in binary, and be able to carry out simple operations on binary numbers [for example, binary addition, and conversion between binary and decimal]"

So at some point in Year 7, 8 and/or 9, all students should be taught the above - it is not just if they take it for GCSE anymore.

darjeelingdarling · 09/07/2017 16:47

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Have your dc learnt about binary / counting in bases other than 10 in maths?
darjeelingdarling · 09/07/2017 16:47

Arranging like this would help. For all bases.

darjeelingdarling · 09/07/2017 16:45

No! It works with ternary too!

I have some at home; I'll try to demo sometime. Might be tomorrow though.

TeenAndTween · 09/07/2017 16:43

You might well be right. I think I'd struggle to explain bases without a pen and paper. But I'm not a teacher!

darjeelingdarling · 09/07/2017 16:43

Maybe only binary!

darjeelingdarling · 09/07/2017 16:38

I went off and googled. I'd use cusinare to demonstrate binary. I can see how teaching ternary would benefit from cusinare.

I mentioned it as our tutors on pgce talked about 'base' and referred to cusinare then.

TeenAndTween · 09/07/2017 16:35

Literally (and I mean literally) laughed out loud at that!

noblegiraffe · 09/07/2017 16:30

Ooh there's a follow-up to yours, Teen

There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, those who don't, and those who didn't expect this joke to be in base 3.

TeenAndTween · 09/07/2017 16:27

noble Grin (still prefer the one I posted upthread though)

Darjeeling not really. Cusinare rods help people get a grip on the reality of number bonds and things. I'm not sure they would be much help with counting in different bases.

darjeelingdarling · 09/07/2017 16:03
darjeelingdarling · 09/07/2017 16:00

Is this like cusinare rods?

noblegiraffe · 09/07/2017 14:58

Just seen on Twitter:

Why are jokes in base 8 not funny?

Because 7 10 11

Hulababy · 07/07/2017 20:58

DD (y10) has done binary and hex, but that has been in GCSE Computing, not GCSE or KS3 maths.

user1497480444 · 07/07/2017 20:19

Its often taught in primary maths, but if you don't learn it there, I don't think there is any space for it in the secondary curriculum, unless studying computer science.

OCSockOrphanage · 07/07/2017 15:39

We did binary and other base counting systems in Y7 in 1967; I still remember getting very muddled. It was the first taste of maths that wasn't arithmetic, at which I was quite good.

KittyVonCatsington · 06/07/2017 19:07

Oh god! I'm an idiot! Yes it does! Was following on from Blissx's post and my students have never needed one as we've also only taught the non-calc method! It's this paper I've been teaching to, for the past year.

Have your dc learnt about binary / counting in bases other than 10 in maths?
noblegiraffe · 06/07/2017 19:03

Kitty That exam front page says 'calculators are allowed in this exam'. I'm so confused!

KittyVonCatsington · 06/07/2017 19:00

Sadiq As I said above, it's in the KS1 - 2 curriculum (know that computers understand on/off, 1 and 0 and in the KS3 curriculum under Data Representation (convert, add and left and right shift).

It is new though (only in second year) so may take time to filter through/change schemes of work.

KittyVonCatsington · 06/07/2017 18:56

Definitely since 2012, no calculators have been allowed in any of the Exam boards' exams (inc EdExcel, AQA AND Eduqas)! I hope your students therefore now how to convert hexadecimal without one noblegiraffe but not your problem obviously and it doesn't surprise me about The Student Room-so much mis-information on there about the subject Grin

(It's very easy!!)

Have your dc learnt about binary / counting in bases other than 10 in maths?
noblegiraffe · 06/07/2017 17:37

Calculators are not allowed in the current GCSE

The kids I showed how to use them didn't mention that, maybe they just wanted to check homework! I just googled and there are some studentroom threads where kids talk about being allowed calcs in the exam and others saying their teacher said no so it seems a bit confused tbh.

lacebell10 · 06/07/2017 16:13

Not maths but year 7 computing. Binary and hex. Converting both ways with decimal, adding, subtractions and multiplication.

Sadik · 06/07/2017 16:01

I guess it's only in the curriculum if you study computer science (or is that everyone in England now?)

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EBearhug · 06/07/2017 09:57

Back in the '80s, we did number bases at age 10 or 11. I work in IT and definitely use hex on a daily basis and binary on a less frequent basis and occasionally octal numbers. I had a "21 again" party when I turned 33...

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