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Best secondary schools in London 2017 (girls and co-ed)

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Toriali · 19/06/2017 11:32

Our daughter is in year 4 and we're starting to look at secondary schools in London. I know we still have to pass the 11+...I've heard it's been really hard this year...

Which ones are your favourites?
Which ones do your children go to?

  • Anywhere in London is ok
  • Co-ed and all girls schools both fine
  • Private is ok

So far, we have: CLSG, Latymer Grammar school, Alleyns

I'd really appreciate any recommendations.

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2014newme · 21/06/2017 13:46

Wow. Just wow.

nocampinghere · 21/06/2017 13:40

and i think the PP have been way more helpful than i was prepared to be until you gave some half decent information. Your response frankly is rude.
Go and get the good schools guide.
Go and get your dd assessed / get input from current school.
Look at the league tables.

No one can help you.

nocampinghere · 21/06/2017 13:38

sorry OP you are either researching an article or for a schools guide.

"London" "anywhere" is NOT a location on which to choose a school. Where do you/your dh work?

I don't actually believe you can choose to live ANYWHERE in London. That your dd is clever, sporty, creative, drama, and you think she can get into any school.

Or you are just deluded.

Lotsofsighing · 21/06/2017 12:42

Er, OP you didn't post a 'personality profile' of your daughter, you posted a list of her academic aptitudes. Personality would include whether she was robust, sensitive, quirky, outgoing etc. My youngest is very confident, could probably go anywhere, my elder daughter is extremely highly strung and for me a lower incidence of eating disorders is paramount.

So if it's academic excellence above all others then just look at the league tables - the ones above are a good starting point, plus Henrietta Barnett. Latymer Grammar, despite how hard it is to get into, doesn't have crazily good results because from what I gather they give less homework and are a bit more rounded.

chameleon71 · 21/06/2017 12:07

FWIW Alleyns considers itself an arts and drama specialist so might not suit you?

It's all down to priorities. You list academic excellence first so surely that's St Paul's, NLCS, Habs, JAGs and CLSG? No idea which if any of those are hothouses?

Then all the GDST ones - South hampstead, Wimbledon, Putney etc.

Where are the other kids from her current school going? The usual leavers' list might prove a good starting point?

chameleon71 · 21/06/2017 12:00

ahem...

You: what is the London school that offers academic excellence, good facilities and good teaching. But doesn't specialise in art or drama and mustn't be a hothouse.

Us: Confused try to understand your needs a little better

You: MN is very tense and not listening to what I need for my DD

Us: Confused

MrsPatmore · 21/06/2017 11:27

Alleyns, St Paul's, JAGS, Latymer, Henrietta Barnett.

Toriali · 21/06/2017 11:22

x-post, thanks CruCru!!

yes, it took me 10 minutes to edit my rant Grin

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Toriali · 21/06/2017 11:21

ahem...
me: anywhere in London
everyone: no, you need to give us a location!
me: anywhere in London is ok, really...here is a personality profile of my DD
everyone: no way, are you going to move for a school? You really should select based on location, that makes it easier, it's not worth it

What I was after:
I'd like to know about all ("the best") schools first. Trust me, really, it can be anywhere in London. You don't know our situation, where we currently live, what we want to do / can do...trust me. Anywhere in London is OK!

All I wanted was to hear your experiences of YOUR "top" London school, regardless of location.

Let's leave this. Although I truly appreciate all your answers, I feel like I'm pulling teeth here Grin The atmosphere in this section of mumsnet is rather tense I have to say.

Thank you QGMum, have subscribed.

thanks all

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CruCru · 21/06/2017 11:13

Hi OP

My children are too small for us to be thinking about senior schools yet. However, people round here seem to be very keen on:

Channing
City of London
Forest
Francis Holland
Highgate
JAGS
More House
NLCS
Queen's College
South Hampstead
St Paul's

Some of these are more academic than others.

Lotsofsighing · 21/06/2017 10:37

I agree with Noitsnot, there's really no reason to move for a school. In fact, geography is a really useful discriminating factor. I find open days so gruesome that I was glad that there were so few schools within a reasonable commute for my son (and feel weary that there are more girls' options for my daughter).

All the schools mentioned (and a whole lot of others) will have generally good teaching (with some rubbish teachers inevitably); will push (possibly too hard); will have sports, creative writing etc.

I think you may be making life too complicated for yourself, especially since by that list, your daughter seems to be good at everything so will thrive anywhere.

Noitsnotteatimeyet · 21/06/2017 10:00

So would you be moving depending on where your daughter ends up going to school? Personally, if you're happy where you currently live, I'd look at schools that she could reach easily now. The difference between one very good school and another very good school is pretty minimal tbh

QGMum · 21/06/2017 08:10

OP have you subscribed to the Good Schools Guide?

I found it very helpful when drawing up a shortlist for my dd. Lots of information about each school. You can then ask for feedback on those specific schools on here.

Toriali · 21/06/2017 00:26

Location: anywhere in London is ok

Our daughter is academic but not pushy, she's good at maths, English, science, computer programming, she likes music and drama and is very creative, good at creative writing, and has a talent for art.

We're looking for someplace academic and quite traditional, where she can debate, play sports, good science and tech (STEM), or a place that'll bring out her (creative) writing.

Something not too hot housey (CLGS may be off the list...) and definitely not too arty or specialising in drama...

And thanks FlumePlume!

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FlumePlume · 20/06/2017 12:38

OP I started a very similar thread last year (specifically about schools accessible to SW London), which you might find useful - SW London schools thread.

AnotherNewt · 20/06/2017 06:29

Yes, I think there is no such thing as s single 'best', or even 'good' when it comes to schools.

Journey to school is important - both in terms of how much time it adds to the day, but also what the journey is like (when carrying backpack, sports grip and a clarinet)

There's little point in listing all the schools that admit girls in N London if you live in the SW. And only once you can describe what features and ethos you - and for secondary age, your DD - would like to see in a school can people give advice/experiences rather than just telling you what's out there.

OrlandaFuriosa · 19/06/2017 22:35

St Paul's? NLC? The private others I know have been mentioned.

If you want good state grammar, Newstead Woods but you do have to live in the catchment. If you want pretty good state grammars, look at the Bexley grammars. If you want good state secondaries you've got a lot if choice both single sex ( eg Langley Park in Bromley) and co-ed.

What's she good at, where do her inclinations lie?

castleontheground · 19/06/2017 22:31

When I see posts like this it reminds me how education policy makers in London talk about 'choice'. We have a comp down the road and nothing else for miles. Everyone from our town and the surrounding villages go there so it's great for community cohesion. But it comes unstuck when May talks about schools becoming grammars etc (though I think that's stopped now).

Noitsnotteatimeyet · 19/06/2017 22:29

Where do you live? It doesn't matter how good a school is if your child has a long and/or difficult daily commute as they're going to be tired and miserable and unable to make the most of all the extra-curricular stuff. Where we live, some of the schools on your list are relatively easy to get to but others would be a nightmare

Toriali · 19/06/2017 22:21

Thanks Newt. Glad to hear my basic specs are met. Going to have think about the other points you raised.

Thanks Pickerel for mentioning South Hampstead!

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Pickerel · 19/06/2017 21:37

I went to South Hampstead (on a scholarship) and had a good experience there.

AnotherNewt · 19/06/2017 21:19

All the central(ish) London private schools and grammars meet your basic spec. The 'output' grades are really a reflection on how selective the school was when that cohort joined. All of them produce strings of starry grades for clever girls.

What sort of ethos do you value most?

What co-curricular stuff would you want?

And, lets face it, how important are bragging rights on the name of the school?

Which facilities matter most? For example state of the art labs and tech, or rolling playing fields? Theatre or boathouse?

Toriali · 19/06/2017 21:00

Thanks! Will add JAGS and LEH to my list and am definitely interested in state grammars, those would be fantastic! But chance of getting in - like for example CLSG - is probably less than a percent...?

Absolutely will have to see what's best for our family and obviously DD, and know it's going to be very hard to get even into one of these schools we mentioned here...

Yes, and DD will likely sit more than three exams...but she might as well try...I think the actual exam sitting she can cope with as she's a calm person. The studying is far tougher I think. But if we notice she can't manage more than three school applications then we won't push her.

I'd like her to have a shot at getting into a "top" school. If it doesn't work out then she'll go down a different route, which will be just fine too. There's no agenda or secret preference apart from wanting her to have a go. What she makes of it is up to her.

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ChocolateWombat · 19/06/2017 17:12

And do you want fee paying or are you interested in state Grammars too?

PatriciaHolm · 19/06/2017 15:50

What you also need to bear in mind is, for those three schools for a start, the "11+" is not just one exam - she would have to sit 3 different tests for those schools, for example. So keep in mind how many tests you would be happy for her to sit for.

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