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lottysmum · 26/05/2017 20:54

Just looking for a little bit of advice please....

My dd had her French Oral exam today (Yr10), in previous years she has done great - last year was 100%. The presentation element of the Oral went well - but a couple of sections of the questions werent great - one probably down to DD being TOO laid back because she felt secure in this area so probably didnt revise and another section was weak because they havent fully covered this topic - so dd struggled to improvise ....

However the main issue DD and the other girls are finding is that their French teacher is not very personable and rather than give them encouragement - "slags them off" - including pulling faces during the Oral showing annoyance - when the girls have not answered a question well, so allot of the girls are really lacking in confidence and demoralised (she's not very well liked and has a habit of saying derogatory/inappropriate comments This term she stated in front of all the class that she thought my daughter must be on illegal drugs because she was so lively in class (my DD is a chatterbox).

This morning I did try and say to my DD to try and not look at the teacher during the oral because having met the teacher I know she is very animated - therefore I felt that if DD went wrong in her oral at the start she would know this from the teachers face and just fall apart (other teachers have done the oral in the past). A number of the girls came out the oral demoralised and in tears because the teacher had said in very harsh words they had not done very well - not in an encouraging manner....

My big concern is that I think DD is OK overall with her French oral - learnt a few lessons from this morning BUT DD did state that the same teacher will take them for the GCSE Oral - I personally think she is unsuitable to do Oral Exams because of her negative traits ...

I dont think she's a bad teacher - just lacks interpersonal skills ...Have I justification to ask for her not to do the Oral exams with this class next year?

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gandalf456 · 28/05/2017 19:10

Good. She is clearly in the wrong job if she's going to undermine her students ' confidence like that. That's not how they learn.

My father taught MFL so I fully respect the profession. My dad got v high up in his career and was v well respected. He ended up mentoring teachers across the country.

Why was he so successful? I saw him in action. He was passionate about teaching and loved his students. I did not hear anything negative about it except for when the government got involved!

Sadly, I have met teachers like the above in my own school years and those of my children. They did not perform well in their classes either. Those who inspired me and my children were the ones who oozed enthusiasm, were positive. It really showed they loved their jobs and the children

Cinderford · 28/05/2017 18:48

And that attitude, Gandalf, is exactly why one third of NQTs leave the profession within the first five years.

gandalf456 · 28/05/2017 13:18

Op. Your dd's teacher os a bitch. Her approach is v discouraging and unlikely to bring out the best in teems who tend to be under confident anywaydespite the bravado they sometimes show. You are right to flag it up to the head before the real thing. I had a French teacher like this. I was reasonable at French but it put me off. I did a lot worse than predicted and went onto do other languages which i did better at

titchy · 28/05/2017 13:09

My daughter doesnt want to be a parrot that learns answers to questions to pass an exam which I get the impression is what the teacher is trying to do .

Except is the very basis of the syllabus and unless she does exactly that she won't get decent grades.

Language GCSEs are not about learning the language unfortunately. They are about parroting some learned phrases.

lottysmum · 28/05/2017 12:57

Thank you Swingofthings...

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swingofthings · 28/05/2017 07:45

my DD is projected to get A's A's in most subjects*
I expect this is what it comes down to. You are anxious that your DD might not get her predicted grade is French and you are looking at external factor that might push her down.

This teacher's way is clearly not exhibit great teaching skills, but it's no different to many teachers. You will find the same with markers.

Your DD is actually in a fortunate situation where she knows what to expect AND can prepare for it. That's a lot more than what my DD got at her oral English exam. Through an accumulation of events, she ended up in tears, which is totally unlike her and left the exam very upset. She blamed herself though, not the teacher. In the end, she never found out what grade she got for it, but she got an overall A in English Language. She can now look back and say that she is almost pleased that it happened because she is naturally a very confident at speaking in public and strangers, and this made her realise that you can never take for granted that you will do well in an exam even when you are highly confident.

I too was a chatterbox when I was a kid and got told off all the time for it. Teachers still loved me. I'm now still a chatterbox at work, but it hasn't stopped me make it to the top! Your daughter will be fine, but the best way you can help her is to learn to focus on what she can control to succeed, not trying to remove blockages she can do nothing about.

lottysmum · 28/05/2017 00:46

Thank you too MVlipwig
I think my DD was demoralised because she did try to think on her feet - I cant remember the exact topic - Your location....This was topic that was rushed just before the exams - they should have been revising and they were still learning the topic - I know my DD couldnt believe the amount of homework coming out (outside set guidelines and ran into the NO homework policy during run up to exams)

My daughter doesnt want to be a parrot that learns answers to questions to pass an exam which I get the impression is what the teacher is trying to do ...that's why I think she frowns because she feels that there is an easy way to pass the French exam !

I do take your point on expressions could be helpful but I think some children respond to encouragement ...well tried - NOT that was CRAP - and perhaps asking why they had maybe not answered questions so well and understanding that the student felt that they needed to revise more in one area than another - Pro active encouragement and a little understanding - especially when they are able children - It wasnt that my DD hadnt revised she had just put too much effort into the presentation because she felt she could handle the questions...Mocks are learning curb

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lottysmum · 28/05/2017 00:20

Lapinlapin

Thank you for answering my question and being constructive - I really appreciate that !

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lottysmum · 28/05/2017 00:18

She hasnt been described by the teachers has lively - her last report stated -great enthusiasm, confidence and energy ...does this mean she is a pain in the BUTT ? Does a pleasure to teach mean she is a pain in the BUTT....Understated a pain in the BUTT - I'm not going to comment anymore because you are all making assumptions perhaps in most cases trying to defend one of your profession -

My synopsis of teacher is Grumpy - moody condescending, demoralising teacher (I could go further) - saying she wasnt personable was being VERY kind.

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Lapinlapin · 28/05/2017 00:05

To answer your original question, no I don't think you should ask for a different teacher to conduct the exam.

  1. School is highly unlikely to agree to this
  2. This was just a year 10 exam. In the real thing your daughter may find the teacher is more encouraging. At this stage teachers can be annoyed that students haven't revised properly. In the real thing, it's too late to be anything other than encouraging.
  3. By the real exam your dd will know the teacher better. This is often considered helpful in an exam.
  4. Facial expressions can be helpful too! If the teacher winced slightly, some sharp pupils will realise they have just used the wrong word/tense and quickly self-correct, thus gaining more marks!
MVLipwig · 27/05/2017 23:59

Also if a teacher is making a concerned face during an answer (which is what the grimace you describe surely is) that's a fantastic cue for your daughter to elaborate and try and improve the language she's using, possibly slip in another tense. Not to throw a fit be she's decided the teacher hates her

Redsrule · 27/05/2017 23:55

If your daughter was so lively a teacher suggested she was high it is a concern, especially when you state she was overconfident. It is difficult, but do remember teachers use euphemisms in reports and lively means pain in the butt!

lottysmum · 27/05/2017 23:38

Firstly - I call her a chatterbox - not the school....the school has made no reference to her being a chatterbox ... my DD is projected to get A's A*'s in most subjects not sure what grades on new system because most exams will still be A-G IGCSE - she's already working at this level in most subjects ...most teachers describe her as a pleasure to teach !

Thanks to all of you for your replies - my mistake for addressing an issue where you can only interpret circumstances and perhaps some of my comments would lead you to make your comments . However , I have a knowledge of both my daughter and the teacher and its a real concern. Teachers should not be undermined but when there is a possible detrimental affect in a public exam then views need to be aired.

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Eolian · 27/05/2017 20:26

'Chatterbox' is an interesting choice of word. It is a polite way of describing a child who persistently disrupts lessons because they will not shut up. I fail to see how you can be a chatterbox in class and not disrupt lessons. Otherwise what do you actually mean by 'she's a chatterbox'? Such pupils often do less well than they should, because they are not actually paying attention in lessons (and dustract others too).

QGMum · 27/05/2017 20:18

OP- Do you usually express opinions on the duties teaching staff should carry out and does the school take these opinions into consideration?

swingofthings · 27/05/2017 20:15

Surely the fact that she knows her, and therefore knows what to expect means that it is unlikely she will feel intimidated by her in 12 months time?

You say that she didn't do as well as expected because she didn't revise as much as should have and struggled to improvise, so really, her lower than expected grade (if that's what she gets) will have nothing to do with the teacher's manieurism but with her lack of good preparation?

The only difference between this teacher and another if she doesn't hide the fact that pupils are not responding as they should, but surely she can't be blamed for the fact that they don't if they haven't prepared well.

It sounds like a massive cope out to try to divert from the real reason why the oral didn't go well. What are you going to say? 'Can you make sure that this teacher doesn't sit the orals because she is too good at knowing when a pupil tries to improvise because they haven't studied the subject and the lack of her encouraging poor response isn't acceptable'?

BoneyBackJefferson · 27/05/2017 17:20

of course she is
she has talked through class and missed bits
she is overconfident and hasn't revised.

It is a shame that you can't see this.

ilovesooty · 27/05/2017 17:12

If you go into school and request that this teacher is removed from the oral examination I shall be extremely interested to learn what the school's response is.

lottysmum · 27/05/2017 16:37

She doesn't have to cover anything - BoneyBackjefferson .... your obviously a teacher .... If my DD wanted to drop French she could in my opinion (although the school doesnt give her a choice with this) I would much rather her study subjects she is engaged with and where teachers dont make the students feel dumb! DD doesnt want to drop French because she wants to go the IB route in Sixth form - her decision ... I'm not a parent who wants to hot house her child - I just want her to have the best education she can and have the opportunity of doing as well as she is able ..if this means stating that I am unhappy with this teacher doing the French Orals then I will !

PS No where on her report does it state she is disruptive in class and no one has stated this on parents evening ..although I know she is a chatterbox.... The only comments made are that she has great enthusiasm, confidence and energy ...although I can see how these attributes might annoy a very moody French teacher !

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BoneyBackJefferson · 27/05/2017 14:09

Ktown
As for chatterbox unless she is disruptive, which it sounds like she isn't,

She is a chatterbox
She is doing this in lessons
She is disruptive

BoneyBackJefferson · 27/05/2017 14:07

Sounds to me like your dd is covering her arse in case things don't go well.

lottysmum · 27/05/2017 13:54

She's not French (or foreign) and I dont expect her to grin but I do know that there will be a deterioration with this terms Oral exams as apposed to previous exams when the girls felt so at ease ... I think all exams are stressful without having a frowning teacher sat in front of you ..apparently she was in mood after the second Oral session of the morning because one girl turned up late ....(which must be annoying but ...she should be professional and not take this out on the following girls)

Surely it is in the interest of the school to get the best results from the girls by putting them at ease...

I am sure my DD will be fine because she's focused on wanting to continue her education by doing the IB programme after GCSE's so she knows she needs to do well in French but I just feel so sorry for these girls who have been completely switched off.... My DD is doing a French exchange shortly so hopefully that will inspire her...

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swingofthings · 27/05/2017 12:21

Is the teacher of French nationality or lived in France for a long time? French teachers are not taught to be friendly and encouraging, so this kind be a culture thing. That doesn't mean they are likely to score lower, it just means that they expect pupils to be challenged rather than encouraged.

Tell your DD that what the teacher says (verbally or non verbally) is irrelevant because she should feel confident about what she says regardless of feedback. Don't tell her to avoid eye contact, it's rude. Just tell her to do her best and that's all that matters.

ilovesooty · 27/05/2017 11:52

We had external examiners when I did language exams. I'm sure there was no suggestion of vetting them to check how personable they were.

Ktown · 27/05/2017 11:48

It is tough but your child will have to learn to deal with all sorts in life and will have to adapt accordingly.
It will be hard but tell her not to take the eye rolling too seriously.
As for chatterbox unless she is disruptive, which it sounds like she isn't, then that will likely calm Down With age.

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