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Oh dear god they still don't have enough markers for GCSE English

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noblegiraffe · 24/05/2017 16:42

This ad just popped up on my twitter feed.

And this just after the news that KS2 writing assessments are totally unreliable - apparently marking English is quite hard to get right.

It's going to be a car crash come August. No way are the results going to be reliable. Get your remark applications ready.

Oh dear god they still don't have enough markers for GCSE English
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goldaspickledfruit · 29/05/2017 11:38

Ironic that non British born writers have been removed from Gove's English Literature syllabus, but I suspect that many well educated 'non British born' examiners will be being recruited to mark these online papers.

This is a big business.

Publishing companies like Murdoch's Pearson make a fortune out of this. Gove works for Murdoch. Hmm

Their unethical conduct is at the expense of teenagers' results and mental health, and teachers marking on appalling pay and condition.

Their contempt for the 'customers' and exam markers is clear.

Schools and teachers should boycott the exam boards.

Mrskeats · 29/05/2017 11:36

You sign a new contract each year with AQA so you can walk away whenever you want noble

noblegiraffe · 29/05/2017 11:32

God if the markers that they do have start refusing to mark when they realise how hard the job ahead is (can you do that if you are on a contract?) then there's the possibility of not meeting the results deadline.
Remember the fiasco of the KS3 SATs marking when the results were a month overdue?

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Mrskeats · 29/05/2017 11:28

With AQA it's partly because you now have to mark online which is ok for short questions but hard for essay type ones
It will be worse next year I think when people work out what it's like marking on screen
Lots of experienced people have left because of this

goldaspickledfruit · 29/05/2017 11:23

Apologies if this has already been posted, but what with the horrendous maths papers this week and that OCR students studying Romeo and Juliet effectively 'lost' 25% of marks due to an erroneous question.

www.tes.com/news/school-news/breaking-news/pupils-ridicule-exam-board-over-shakespeare-error-gcse-paper

I'd be amazed if they had enough markers. I last marked GCSE English Language 9 years ago, and along with several other markers at my school returned scripts, unmarked after they changed the mark scheme half way through the marking. This was the AQA.

IHeartKingThistle · 28/05/2017 20:20

I used to get £3.50 a paper for Lit. It adds up if you do hundreds, but if you do hundreds you're talking morning, noon and night for 3 weeks. Nearly killed me every time I did it.

It does give you an amazing insight though which helps so much when you're teaching. You know exactly what gets the marks and what doesn't.

Last year we were told that Edexcel weren't remarking English any more and that if we asked for remarks of papers that were on the borderline then all they would check was that the marks had been added up and entered properly. I don't know if this is still the case but I hope not- marking English is so subjective and examiners differ all the time. A tired examiner on their 20th paper (60th essay) of the day may well miss a couple of points that could have made a huge difference to that student.

Cinderford · 28/05/2017 18:45

It might not be as bad as you think. One of the teachers in my department applied to mark AQA English this year, was accepted, and then they got back to her and said they had no Language vacancies left, only Literature. Plus, there's a large pool of people who used to moderate coursework who may well have gone over to the exam.

As an experienced examiner (and TL), I agree that the pay is too low, and if AQA have cut the rate whilst the duration of the exam has increased, then that is appalling.

NotYoda · 28/05/2017 13:52

DoctorDonna

Point taken.

And my vote will not be going to the Conservatives

noblegiraffe · 28/05/2017 12:57

but can they really lower them so much a 'c' ends up being less than 20%.

They may have to for maths higher tier. Last year on
Edexcel you needed 35% on higher to get a C. This year the paper is far harder. Edexcel were practically begging schools to enter borderline candidates for foundation instead to avoid the grade boundaries being on the floor.

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KeiraTwiceKnightley · 28/05/2017 12:40

bear in mind. I corrected that twice and my phone still changed it!

KeiraTwiceKnightley · 28/05/2017 12:40

As an English teacher, this is an absolute joke. Except it isn't, as kids' results will be impacted and so will teachers' pay. And if results drop nationally, this year will stand as an aberration, tougher exams etc - but in 6 years' time, the kids who did their exams this year and got disappointing grades through no fault of their own will be competing for jobs with other kids who took their exams a year or two before and whose results will be much better. Employers won't beat in mind the political background for the 2017 season! Dreadful.

WalkingOnLeg0 · 28/05/2017 12:27

So what does all this mean for results this year. They can lower the grade boundaries, but can they really lower them so much a 'c' ends up being less than 20%. The only alternative I can see is that they find a way to illegally bump up the marks which is unfair to the teachers and students who have successfully earned their result.

noblegiraffe · 28/05/2017 11:51

I feel really sorry for English teachers. The whole introduction of the new GCSE has been a shambles and now they can't even trust the results that come out of it.

And I'm saying that as a maths teacher!

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DoctorDonnaNoble · 28/05/2017 10:10

@NotYoda we've been making a fuss since the changes were announced. No one cares. We need parents to make a fuss. There are more of you and they haven't written off your votes!

NotYoda · 28/05/2017 06:29

As a parent I am feeling oddly (wrongly) reassured about this fiasco. Hopefully massive stinking fuss will be made by you (poor) teachers.

I am going to be writing a very nice long letter to my sons' teachers, thanking them for their help and forbearance this year

Fucking Gove

noblegiraffe · 28/05/2017 00:11

What made you decide not to do it this year, greylady?

I can't believe that the shambles that has been introducing the new spec to schools extends to marking the bloody things.

The government has a lot to answer for. Rushed through just because Gove didn't want the GE election in 2015 to have to potential to overturn his changes. Education as a bloody political football.

I guess the OCR question balls-up isn't helping make the markers' job any easier either.

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Noodledoodledoo · 27/05/2017 22:53

Oh and the pay has been reduced this year for Maths as well. Not sure about other subjects.

thegreylady · 27/05/2017 21:49

I marked GCSE English for many years (since it began and 16+ and GCE before that). I marked last year and was offered a senior position on the new spec. I went along to the first training meeting after which, reluctantly, I decided to retire. The surprising thing was that several others announced their intention to do the same.

WalkingOnLeg0 · 27/05/2017 17:20

A friend of mine who is doing this said they were told to mark 'leniently'. I was like, "so your not following the mark scheme then". She replied, "apparently not".

IHeartKingThistle · 27/05/2017 08:25

I used to mark Lit and it is hard, hard work. It's 20 loong papers a day for 21 days straight with no right answers. I've been teaching this year to a new syllabus with no idea where the 'pass mark' might sit. I don't want the responsibility of these kids' grades any more! I'm out.

pointycow · 27/05/2017 08:09

I've marked the poetry paper for AQA for the last few years. I was offered a contract for lit paper 2 this year- it's an hour longer, includes another text, 4 essays instead of 2- and they're paying about 50p more per script. It's just not worth it or even manageable for someone who's teaching full time. I've no idea how they think all these scripts will be reliably marked.

wannabestressfree · 27/05/2017 07:55

I normally mark and am not this year due to ill health. It used to be worth while but it's more difficult now :(?

GinIsIn · 27/05/2017 07:53

Looks like knowing the main characters' names in Shakespeare's best known works isn't a prerequisite for those setting the papers so you'd think anyone could mark them!

NorthernLurker · 27/05/2017 07:50

Oh great! Poor dd2 is taking these bloody exams.....

DoctorDonnaNoble · 27/05/2017 07:27

This is not good. Coupled with the ridiculous errors on the Lit papers. English results this year could be a complete disaster.