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Languages stupid question.

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gillybeanz · 17/04/2017 19:34

Right I know that subjects like French German and Spanish can be taught at KS3 and in some cases even KS2.

However, could a child around Y8/9 pick up a GCSE with no prior knowledge. Obviously, I know they'd have to work and study, goes without saying.

If it was a language they hadn't studied earlier like Russian, Welsh, Italian.

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AtiaoftheJulii · 17/04/2017 21:19

My dd was home educated until she went to school for y9 - she had done Spanish at home and had to do French and Spanish at school. She had thought she'd just get through a year of French then drop it and do Spanish for GCSE, but she ended up doing both for GCSE, then both for A level, and is now doing an MFL degree in French, Spanish and ab initio German. And is planning on doing some Italian in her second year Grin So yes, in imo and experience it's possible.

Ds and dd3 are both doing GCSE in the MFL they started second at school as well. Not quite the same, but still the one with less time.

Rayna37 · 17/04/2017 21:09

I began secondary school in 1991, we all started French in yr 7, then Russian in yr 8 (not sure if everyone or if this excluded the bottom set). It was totally acceptable then for us to do Russian at GCSE, it wasn't treated any differently to French we'd all started the year earlier. Good luck to her. GCSE standards for languages really not that high if I recall but big leap up to A level.

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Eastpoint · 17/04/2017 21:03

Dd started French in yr9 & got an A*. Other friends of hers started Spanish, Italian, Chinese, German & Russian. Ancient Greek was another option. She had been learning German & Latin from Yr7 but dropped Latin at the end of yr9. Back in the 1980s we did an O level language in a year if we wanted in Yr 12.

GinSwigmore · 17/04/2017 21:00

for Russian, Urdu, Chinese, Greek

GinSwigmore · 17/04/2017 20:59

I did a third language (Russian) in only two years. Got a B. The grade boundaries for lower iirc because the language/alphabet was deemed to be harder. Not sure whether that is the case now.

gillybeanz · 17/04/2017 20:53

Aw thanks for the lovely encouragement.
It's early days yet but she knows she is going to have to get by with quite a lot of languages, mostly just being able to pronounce some words and understand their meaning.
But some she has more of an interest in and would like a couple of GCSE's as she'll struggle with a lot of other subjects at school.
I'm not sure if school would let her take them there, I was going to ask as she progresses.
Her school emailed them all Duo Lingo and she uses it whenever she can, doesn't get much free time at school so has the odd weekend and holidays atm.

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sniffle12 · 17/04/2017 19:56

TBH, being familiar with the level of enthusiasm for languages in your average British year nine (i.e. none - I'm talking each lesson goes in one ear and straight out the other with very little retention or progress), I'd say if your DD studied the relevant language in Duolingo for a few months before starting GCSE, she'd be at a better level of vocabulary and knowledge than most of them already. But if she's at school, I suppose it's down to the school to deem whether she can join at that stage.

Curiosity and enthusiasm are the most important things - if she's the type of person who responds to not knowing something by looking it up in the dictionary and finding out how to say it, that self-sufficiency will take her far.

I am British born, no languages in my family or anything, and speak French, German, Spanish and Swedish and am learning Russian, purely out of a lifelong curiosity! So if she has the bug, definitely let her run with it. There are so many wonderful free apps and resources now to support language learning.

karalime · 17/04/2017 19:53

The standards in language GCSEs are so low that logically there is no reason someone could not start from scratch in Year 9. Someone with a few weeks on Duolingo could pass a GCSE with flying colours.

Whether the school will allow it is another thing. Also, if she wants to do languages at university for example it's not always necessary to have a GCSE in the language.

For example I know people who studied Japanese/Korean/Welsh/Norwegian at uni and they just had 1-2 A Levels in the usual European languages. I did Spanish as part of my degree for a while and all I had was GCSE French!

gillybeanz · 17/04/2017 19:46

cross post, there ignore me I'm an idiot.

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gillybeanz · 17/04/2017 19:44

Sorry, but does that mean that no prior knowledge is required and the GCSE syllabus will teach from the beginning.

I have a dd who wants to study lots of languages.
She knows she won't take a GCSE in them all and some are to just learn some basic words and their meaning, but she has said she'd like to take one or two to GCSE level.
There is even Icelandic on her list. She plans to start and continue during the summer holidays, about 10 weeks.

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sniffle12 · 17/04/2017 19:42

Definitely, especially if they had already studied another language and had the aptitude.

A lot of KS3 language teaching moves incredibly slowly, in the worst cases all they do for 3 years is put together pre-fab blocks of language (e.g. j'aime... parce que c'est...) given to them by the teacher and don't even learn grammatical concepts such as verb conjugation (source: former languages teacher). Someone with the aptitude who was able to pick up grammatical concepts quite easily and had basic dictionary skills to start looking up and using language for themselves would be able to catch up very easily.

DoctorDonnaNoble · 17/04/2017 19:35

Short answer: yes, it's possible.

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