Tories shit all over the comprehensive system with a return to the 1950s and a nationwide 11+

Trafford clearly has something other areas do not.
I suspect its the bright pupils from the areas around.

Does anybody have the up to date link to the DFE table that shows "cross border traffic" in schools ?

clavinova / mumtrying
Don't know about Surrey in detail, but here in Hampshire very few schools have their own 6th form and the catchments of the colleges are so huge and overlapping that fine point data analysis is rather tricky.

For me, progress 8 is a better measure of how well the school is performing - 5 A* is no real achievement if you've creamed off the "clever", privately tutored wealthy children, which is pretty much what AGSB & AGGS do, whereas if your cohort includes all abilities and backgrounds it is a great result.

Clavinova If you name a few schools in those areas I will have a look.

Anon1234567890 BAM, now its a grammar and your DC has a chance to go to it.

But only if you have the time/money for tutoring your DC and they pass the test with a score high enough to place them in the top 10%.

Sorry, not sure what happened for that to post twice. I have asked for second post to be deleted.

MumTryingHerBest
How would you analyse Surrey and Hampshire's A-Level performance compared to Trafford? Surrey and Hampshire have lower rates of fsm.

That nice comp down the road that you had your eye on for your kid currently in primary?

BAM, now you have to buy a Very expensive house beside it to get in, so your kid is going to be bussed out to a bog standard comp.

BAM, now its a faith school, so haul your ass to church and pretend to make nice with the priest or your kid is going to be bussed out to a bog standard comp.

BAM, now its a grammar and your DC has a chance to go to it.

Clavinova I don't see how MumTryingHerBest can argue otherwise.

I wasn't arguing anything. I asked a question:

Is 1/4 AAB good for a Grammar School?

flyingwithwings

Yes, I think the DfE tables show Trafford in a very good light when it comes to facilitating A-Levels and access to good university courses.
I don't see how MumTryingHerBest can argue otherwise.

I've been teaching for 20 years and am acknowledged as V G at what I do. I still love the job despite all the crap that comes with it these days. However the day a grammar opens in the city nearest to my semi rural school is the day I quit. I want to teach in a comprehensive, not a secondary modern.

flyingwithwings - Clavinova. So Trafford's performance at the highest level is extremely good

I think that depends on what you are comparing to. For example:

Mossbourne Community Academy - 102 disadvantaged DCs - AAB 33.9%

Loreto - 4 disadvantaged DCs - AAB 24.6% (is 1/4 AAB good for a Grammar School?)

The only relevance was to point what a good school it was not for Niece's future who is a 1st year at a RG...

MumTryingHerBest - thankyou!

flyingwithwings how relevant that B is to your niece will be dependent on the subjects they are looking to study:

www.loretogrammar.co.uk/213/examination-results-statistics

Clavinova. So Trafford's performance at the highest level is extremely good !. By the way Niece got A* AA which is so down to the school.

So considering that DD1 yr12 is hoping to emulate her cousin at her grammar school. Why would i want my DDs ,not to get a similar education to my Niece and Nephews

Clavinova Those DfE performance tables also give the percentage of pupils achieving AAB or higher in at least 2 facilitating subjects at A-level

Sorry that was the point I was trying to make. A - C is no better than using the average. It doesn't tell you how many are getting A vs how many are getting an E.

I should also add that the A Level results don't necessarily reflect the progress of the 11 plus intake as there is a fair amount of movement after GCSEs.

Loreto Grammar is actually a full B grade average not B- at A level ! (important for my Niece)...

Those DfE performance tables also give the percentage of pupils achieving AAB or higher in at least 2 facilitating subjects at A-level.

Trafford - 28.5%
National Average - 13.9% (or 17% All Schools)
Hampshire - 13.8%
Surrey - 14.4%
Kent - 16.7%

bigmack click on the 16-18 tab on the DfE performance tables:

www.compare-school-performance.service.gov.uk/find-a-school-in-england

Where can I see average A Level results by school?

flyingwithwings you also missed my 'Nephews' grammar school out as well

Altrincham Grammar school for Girls - 5
Altrincham Grammar School for Boys - 7
Sale Grammar School - 9
Stretford Grammar School - 25
Urmston Grammar Academy - 6
Loreto Grammar School - 4
Saint Ambrose College - 8

Whatever you say about progress '8' the deciding figure is % of GCSEs inc Engl/Maths at A - C*

Actually, A - C doesn't tell you very much at all. It could mean that 100% got a C in maths or it could mean that 100% got an A in maths. This is very relevant if a DC is looking to do A levels etc.

For example, If you look at the Average A Level results at those Grammar Schools (National average is C+ and the area average is a B-):

Altrincham Grammar school for Girls - A-
Altrincham Grammar School for Boys - B
Sale Grammar School - B-
Stretford Grammar School - C+
Urmston Grammar Academy - C+
Loreto Grammar School - B-
Saint Ambrose College - B-

What exactly do you think happens to these pupils with E grades that you clearly don't give a shit about? Their chance to successfully move on to a college course or employment is much better with an E grade than an F.

Mine are from the 'Official' DFE Performance Tables 2016...

The point is the only thing matters outside a group of 'Amateur Social Scientists' on the forum trying to use (DUE) (Description Understanding and Enactment) is how many GCSEs A levels or Degree's a person has got !

Nobody is intrested that a school has enabled a pupil to achieve an E grade progressing through 2 full predicted grade levels !