Tories shit all over the comprehensive system with a return to the 1950s and a nationwide 11+

Big mack "23-25" pupils in Prep 6 on average..

Keir Starmer was interviewed in Saturday's Guardian. He said that of the people he talked to - employers etc. the big problem was a skills shortage. We have always done OK by our very academic children, but there is a huge tail of underachievement, and May's bright idea to turn the clock back to a system which benefited her, but failed a majority, will not do anything to address that.

Who does May think she is?
How can she have the right to start an expensive consultation - the Green Paper, and then completely disregard it?
Do we not have the democratic right to hear the results /outcome of that consultation?
This is a shocking waste of resources, undemocratically spent.

Thanks - How many pupils are in the prep y6 on average?

"Having time to read with DC every night or supporting their learning and development is pretty much within the control of parents."

I know three parents who have got children into the local super selective grammars.

Child one: attended a competitive private prep and got into grammar via the 13+ after failing at 11+ and having extensive tutoring as well as being in a private prep.

Child two: mother is a teacher. He had specific 11+ tutoring at several times a week from year 4 onwards

Child three: mother is a teacher. He had tutoring at home and also attended a weekly 3 hour small group tutoring session focused on 11+, for a year prior to sitting the test.

It really, really isn't just a bit of reading and a few number games for a stab at the grammars near us. It's the key stage 3 maths curriculum and learning how to write a good essay.

Bigmack here are the numbers for admission to Loreto Grammar school from the prep ! (Niece came from the Prep)

2013 19 admissions
2014 21
2015 14
2016 12 Total admissions last four years 66/584 11% of Loreto Grammar's intake was from the prep !

flyingwithwings - just out of interest, are there figures for the numbers of pupils who enter Loreto Grammar school from the fee paying prep?

Ta1kinPeace ahhhh Peter Symonds my old 6th Form!

We met some people on holiday who asked how much the fees were at Peter Symonds (DD was wearing one of their sweatshirts)
The name and the crest is the thing

Ha ha yeah true Devilish.

I'm not that over-invested in what school is on my dc's CV one day. But I know a lot of parents who are.

I happen to think the whole proposal is a joke. I'm so, so glad that my two won't have to do the 11 plus; Year 6 SATS are pressure enough. I'm also pleased that my dds won't be caught up in some deeply archaic, divisive system where their brighter friends (and dd1 would probably have been in this cohort) will be sent to one school and their 'less able' peers will be sent somewhere else. Labelled at the age of 11.

They might be impressed if you cage out of a sink school with masses of A*'s - that tells them more about someone than being a grammar school alumnus

It could impact negatively for top universities trying to increase their non-selective intake

(Actually universities don't care - places like Oxford & Cambridge are only interested in how much you love your subject & other top ones are interested in grades. They won't be swayed either way by a grammar.

So if dd's school eventually becomes a grammar, between now and when they start applying for uni/grad jobs, they will be able to quite truthfully say they went to * Grammar.

Ha ha, the whole thing's a joke. (Sorry to derail thread, OP)

I do know someone who said their husband liked having Harrogate Grammar on their CV as he thought it made him look intelligent - it's actually a comprehensive although (just to save anyone looking it up) I believe its considered very desirable.

Devilish... I don't know. But I would imagine that stating that you went to grammar school would reflect in some way on graduate applications and university applications...

Does anyone care which school someone went to? (Outside Eton etc?). I don't even name my schools on my CV.

Ok, I thought so. Thank you.

So irrespective of ability, some kids will be able to put that they went to a Grammar school on their CVs even if they wouldn't have actually got in!

tealstar
It will be like it was when the big conversions happened in the 70's
Existing kids stay put, new intake years are under the new rules.

Can I ask a silly question? (Sorry if it's been covered already but can't find anything to suggest it has)

What if your children are already at senior age, therefore 'unaffected' by this, but their school converts into a grammar / SM while they are already there?

Like I said, sorry if this is a stupid question

MumTryingHerBest
I only have time to look at Loreto Grammar and they have a minimum entry requirement of GCSE grade B for every A-Level except further maths - grade 7. Mossbourne state that some of their more demanding courses require As or A*s at GCSE but don't specify which - sciences and maths I assume. I don't think faith criteria is as important at Sixth Form as Year 7.

Anon1234567890 If you have a child suitable for a grammar then at least you will have a possibility that wealthy comps or religious schools deny you.

I think the likelihood of that bright DC getting into the Grammar would very much depend on the admissions criteria for the individual Grammar schools.

You are aware that the admissions criteria for all existing Grammar Schools vary. I don't believe any details have yet been released for the proposed new Grammar Schools. Believe me, being bright doesn't guarantee a place when there are other criteria that have to be met also.

only if you have the time/money for tutoring your DC and they pass the test with a score high enough to place them in the top 10%

Having time to read with DC every night or supporting their learning and development is pretty much within the control of parents.
If you have a child suitable for a grammar then at least you will have a possibility that wealthy comps or religious schools deny you.

Clavinova - Mossbourne is quite selective at Sixth Form

Really? More so than the Trafford Grammar Schools which includes a faith critera for one?

The comments about expensive catchment areas do seem to reflect urban areas. In a county where there are a lot of one-school towns or two schools that are considered good then it doesn't really apply.

Comps in wealthier areas do have an easier time but we seem to be jumping from that to say that the only way to get into a decent school is to be in a wealthy area. Sometimes a school really is good because it has a good Head and good teachers. There doesn't always have to be another reason behind it.

MumTryingHerBest
AAB in at least 2 facilitating A-Levels:

Trafford - 28.5%
Kent - 16.7%
Surrey - 14.4%
Hampshire - 13.8%
National Average - 13.9%

Mossbourne is quite selective at Sixth Form - some A-Levels have minimum entry requirements of A/A* at GCSE.