Would you/have you started going to church to get child into a good church school?!

Because agnostics don't want "agnostic schools", they want "schools".

I knew one day Xenia we would agree on something.

ON that note I am going to retire to by boudouir in our bid to create yet more catholic life to fill up those school places and keep those goody two shoes m/c types out!

The right has done more for the poor in the UK than the left in all kinds of area but we were trying to talk about schools.

On the first post I wouldn't feel guilty about doing something that helps the children and also the churches do like it. It doesn't matter what method is used to bring people to God and a lot of people as someone on the thread below said, come to church and stay and that helps grow congregations. Also a lot of people who became more agnostic as teenagers when they get older and have their own children often find their religious belief again. It's a fairly well recognised pattern and not just that people are after a school place.

Why don't agnostics form state schools? If my local hindus can petition for a hindu school and we already have a Muslim one and loads of Jewish primaries where are the agnostics in all this or is it that the legislation doesn't allow that? Isn't there some group of parents in London who have taken 10 years to get state funding for a new state school they want to set up? So suppose that may be possible even if you're not religious or coudln't the clever middle class agnostics all flock towards non religious schools?

why are the children suffering for his politics, from what I have read Cameron's children are going to a very good school.

the right serves the poor for many reasons? whilst keeping them poor and giving them handouts - as and when they see fit, not letting them into your communities , your schools, mind you you can vote tory and keep away from the great unwashed becuase thatcher made sure of that.

and the right is christian? WTF. becuase the left is socialism which is the colour red which was the same colour as the commies and they did away with them there religous types? tenuous.

i always see tory voters as masons. dip dip shake yer knob.

It is always said that the C of E is the tory party of prayer and having sat through a C ofE sermon where the vicars wife whinged about how hardher life was and the fact that no one respected her and the local yobs played in the church grounds I can see that is true. But if you get me started on the Church of England I will offend people.

Sorry twinset, wasn';t specifically aiiming whole post at you. I tend to read about 30 posts at once and then dive in. This whole discussion is scattergunning a bit between state schools, faith schools, good schools, bad schools and what each of those definition means - and it's probable that the only definition we could get an objective agreement on would be "state" schools...

The conservatives are the true party of proper Christians in my view but let's not get into that. The right serves the poor better for thousands of reasons.

On the topic of the thread well I just said that in case it might be right, about religious homes producing better children. It's worth arguing, may be true. You give children some rules, some morality, teach them not to put themselves first, to work hard, help others, probably the parents stay together more for religious reasons (unless you get an annulment like I did) and as said below probably a less chaotic house with history of religious attendance etc.

Actually my mother taught very very poor classes of 40 children after WWII in one of the poorest parts of Newcastle in Catholic primary schools, fathers in and our of prison etc. but even so I think there was still structure in the home, rules and probably quite good teaching.

Cameron should be sending his children to good private schools. By not doing so he is making them suffer for his politics which is morally wrong in my view.

Because 'Michael Pearl is an example of an average British Christian isn't he and runs lots of schools here.

I do think mademez that you are in need of some education yourself, even a few days at a bog standard comp deserted by m/c parents frantically reciting their hail Mary's in ear shot of the vicar, would do you good.

I may be wrong as I got bored looking but I don't even think I ahve used the phrase tight knit community anyway.

A tight knit community can mean that but clearly that wasn't what I meant!

I have never said anywhere that chruch schools were automatically good, infact I have said the opposite.

Twinset: if a school has inspiring teachers, a prevailing ethos that minimises bullying and encourages self-esteem... oh, and enough money to provide decent facilities, it will be a 'good' school whether or not any particular brand of mythology is associated with it.

And anyone who really thinks that "faith" schools are automatically superior should maybe go and google 'Michael Pearl Child Training'... instilling a religious faith in children does them so much good, doesn't it?

Oh, and another thing, given how much gloriously unexamined opinion there is on this thread... "tight-knit community" is one of those phrases usd to indicate Good Things when it can just as easily translate as "inbred, ignorant bigots".

vote the wrong way and the kitten gets it.

lol

No suck luck, jainism today- no alcohol and not much to eat ( mean, not even potatoes!!!!!)

But exam now over in that- call it demob spirit

are you pissed on communion wine and nibbles as well!

IMO Twinset you can't

'My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.'

I can't see how new-right politics really falls within that

I know I will regret that post when sober.

Am going to slobber over dp!
Good night

Blimey, twinset, you really do want to invest a lot of time in this thread, don't you?

I have never and would never vote tory, without wanting to offend anyone and I may now send this thread into a new direction of kicking off status I don't understand how you can be a tory, even the new softer brand, and be a Christian.

Oh yeah .

I am not saying that everyone who uses church schools are fantastic people or even that they all provide an excellent education or admit pupils fairly. I do agree that church schools need looking at but if the one my dd attends is so fantastic and admits children from a wide social, cultural and religious cohort surely there must be others like it and they are worth holding on to.

So you'll be voting for him then, I expect?

Oh, that's very out of order of David Cameron, although no more than I would expect. Posh Tory fuckwit.