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GCSEs - is 8 enough?

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trsv · 28/02/2017 10:29

My DD's state school is allowing only 8 GCSEs to be made in Year 9 (East Midlands if it matters).

Compulsory GCSEs are maths, English language, English literature, double or triple science - so this leaves my daughter with only 2 more GCSEs to choose from as she's taking triple science.

Since EBacc is recommended and it requires to have one humanities GCSE and one foreign language GCSE, this effectively means she has to choose French (the language she studies) and Geography or History.
She says she wants to do both humanities subjects and wanted to do BPE as well - but not enough GCSE slots for this.
We discussed she could do BPE in Year 10, but it cannot be done as the school only allows for 8 GCSEs to be chosen.

The school won't accept more GCSE applications unless under exceptional circumstances. I understand they're coming from offering good support for 8 GCSE subjects so students who are not excelling academically can also reach their potential, but this leaves brighter children disadvantaged - or am I being too much if a Tiger mum?

What are our options - a mix of GCSEs and iGCSEs? Do I have any case to try and persuade the school to offer additional GCSE just because my daughter wants to do it?

At the end of the day I guess eight is just about enough since universities are looking at the strongest 8 - but I'm just not happy with not being given a chance for those who feel they can do more to try and achieve it.

Any ideas or thoughts are appreciated.

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TigerMa · 28/02/2017 11:12

AlexanderHamilton I've inquired with the BPE teacher during the options evening and she confirmed her subject is not classed as humanities Confused
Even if it did, there is no slot for it - DD gets to choose only two subjects, when she wants to choose 3 to 4 more. If it was up to her, on top of the 5 compulsory she would choose history, geography, beliefs and philosophy, food preparation and possibly drama. Narrowing them down to only 2 was really hard.

I realise since I come from a different education background where we were pushed to do as much as humanely possible, I may be a bit of an over-achiever, but I honestly think only 8 GCSEs are at the children's disadvantage.

TigerMa · 28/02/2017 10:59

I am also thinking there may be other things that came into play for the school's decision to offer only 8 GCSEs. They were rated as 'requires improvement' by Ofsted in 2013 and have been fighting since to gain back their 'good' rating. They are have reasonably strong Sixth form and reasonable GCSE performance, but with so many restructures on administrative level as one would expect with an underperforming school I am guessing they are just taking the easier route - supporting the students with only 8 GCSEs thus securing better performance, rather then offering more and having to source out additional support so performance is still good.

AlexanderHamilton · 28/02/2017 10:55

Both my children's schools class RE/Philosophy as a humanities subject even though it strictly isn't for ebacc. It's dd's favourite subject. She chose it instead of history or geography. If your dd wants to do it I'd tell her forget ebacc which is meaningless anyway.

TigerMa · 28/02/2017 10:52

They have reduced the number this year - I believe they offered 10+ until last year.
They are following the new curriculum with the new progress 8 implemented.

BPE stands for Beliefs and philosophy - sorry I thought this is what it is commonly referred to everywhere.

With English, maths and triple science I am guessing she has most of her A levels and uni options opened to her, but it just leaves no room for choice :(

AlexanderHamilton · 28/02/2017 10:50

I personally don't think 8 is enough as it doesn't give a safety net.

From looking at 6th form requirements most require at least 8 good passes. Taking 9 not only gives more breadth in terms of being able to take an arts/tech subject but gives leewa in case one subject goes badly wrong for any reason.

Both my children's schools (1 private selective, 1 vocational none academically selective) offer 9 GCSE's.

Sixisthemagicnumber · 28/02/2017 10:48

Sad even in my day at my rubbish school we had to do 9 GCSEs and there was only single or double science on offer which left more flexibility for other choices. A minimum of 10 GCSEs seems to be the norm nowadays. Doing only 8 doesn't even allow for the child doing more than one language. I would speak to the school sooner rather Than later before timetables are set in stone. Did the school only do 8 last year too?

Kimlek · 28/02/2017 10:46

Have they always offered 8 GCSEs or have they recently reduced the number in light of them becoming more difficult?
Also, what is BPE pls?
One thing I found out recently is that each school sends in the years results to UCAS who then give the universities a 'context' to your child's results. So if a school offers 10 GCSEs but your child does fewer it could be unfavourable. Whereas if your school offers 8 and your child achieves high grades in all 8 (which I'm guessing is likely as able to focus on fewer) then the uni will view this favourably. The issue is more about keeping her options open for further study e.g. A levels etc. I'm not sure what BPE is but if it's something she wants to do to A level then I think you got a could case if they can timetable it in or she can do after school?

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trsv · 28/02/2017 10:44

They do count them as separate GCSEs, Sixisthemagicnumber Sad
It was clearly marked in the GCSE choices booklet and confirmed at the choices evening.

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Sixisthemagicnumber · 28/02/2017 10:36

It is likely the school have timetabled it so that everyone does 8 so i can't imagine that making a request for your dd to do additional subjects will be allowed. Unthinking is disgraceful that they are only doing 8 though, it leaves no room for choice really. Are they defienetly counting English literature as two subjects as my Sons school just count English and English lit as one subject and the study the two elements together (but obviously have separate exams).