New grammars by 2020 which will exclude 90% of local kids

But do you not think that children and parents will see the importance when the schools are actually running.
Children here don't aspire to great things, they think it isn't for them, that this is their lot.
I know there are some good comps, I trust what people say on here, but when you live in an area famous for it's lack of opportunities and aspiration it's hard to change attitudes.
Surely grammar schools would do this wouldn't they.
I do know that the present system of grammar has it's issues in places down south, but as there are good and bad comps, could there be some areas that would benefit from grammars.
There are few rich people in our area, they tend to live in Cheshire rather than Wigan , so not a place for private schools with good bursaries neither.

fly

Same area, my love. I totally agree.

Sorry, just noticed it was you noble

Can you explain why it won't provide social mobility in wc areas with no opportunities for the brightest.
I'm sad this has come too late for my dd friend who will never see her potential. She has no parental encouragement apart from making sure she completes her homework she needs no encouragement to do this and is often found trying to find advanced Maths papers.
Her mother thinks/ advises her to become a childcare worker or hairdresser.
Nothing wrong with this but she's years above in Maths.

For the record i was born in Ashton -Under- Lyne and spent the first 8 years of my life there before my parents moved south for a better life !

I have cousins that still live in Ashton , hence my interest in a town that unfortunately has not advanced in the 36 years since my family left.

I think it's brilliant and will provide social mobility to those who need it the most, that isn't the mc children.
If you lived where we do with no good schools or chances for the majority of children you'd be glad.

You have obviously never heard Angela Raynor speak. You are just making offensive judgements based on her class and the fact that she was a teenage mother. Rather shocking.

flying If Angela Rayner had been to a grammar school you and other grammar supporters would be hailing her as a shining example of social mobility.

Noblegiraffe Everything about this is so wrong. OK, I'm anti-selection anyway but I hope even if I wasn't I would recognise that that this is an incoherent, illogical and unintelligent mess. ( Been reading too many Michaela essays) Effectively, the govt is saying " we want grammars even though we can't actually give you any good reason why". Dreadful.

Away from..

Noble i see you would like an education secretary that has no 'academic qualifications ! That is what is unbelievable a 'Shadow Education Secretary without even GCSEs ' I wonder why the Labour party are a rabble .

Angela Raynor reminds me of the girl , you would do everything to keep your daughter aware from at school. The bully that would entice your daughter to 'WAG' school and go down to the local shops for a fag or to rob for her .

I really feel sorry for the likes of 'Lucy Powell' that her position has been replaced by the adult version of ' Lauren Tate'.

A bully that only knows to 'Shout' out pre -prepared quotes.

Such is her lack of knowledge, she would not have even known what a grammar school was until told what one is and the Labour Party's position on them.

"No the reason you are not happy because you want 100% of children to all get the same education."

Oh, that is such bollocks. Of course nobody thinks 100% of children should get exactly the same education!

This whole thing is becoming just garbage. The government told us this was all about social mobility. Now they're supposed to be giving us super-selectives which are the ones that people tutor for years to get their kids into. The chance of any able child from any sort of poor background getting into them is infinitesimally small. So what's the justification now? Are they going to bother coming up with one?
Incidentally, the newsletter publishing this actually devoted most of its space to moaning about funding. Didn't it occur to any of these super-brain GS Heads that the £240 million for expansion could be helpful in ensuring proper funding for all, including grammar schools?

I'd far rather see the money put into providing proper funding for those with SEN/D who currently struggle to access any education. Let's be honest, the top 10% most academically gifted will do ok in any school, but those with the most difficulties surely need the most support. In my authority there aren't even enough school places, let alone properly funded school places.

I speak as someone whose dd is now struggling in 6th form as she was never, ever stretched, or challenged in yrs 7 - 11, and who quite possibly would have got into a school in an area where the most academic 10% got a grammar school place, not from any personal gain situation, btw, so I don't think many of our local schools are good enough yet, but I'm still aware she has a lot more option open to her than youngsters with SEN/D.

Our local comprehensive is small and still offers triple sciences for some. That isn't a grammar school only option.

My dear sister is always telling me how hopeless she feels for her brightest and most conscientious pupils.

Noble you should be very happy with the Governments proposals to limit grammar schools to the top 10% as opposed to 25%!

This means you will guarantee that 90% of local children do go to the local 'bog standard' comprehensive.

No the reason you are not happy because you want 100% of children to all get the same education.

Socialist dogma is if we can't give it to everybody, then no one should have the chance !

Absolute bollocks.

The poor children in these so called 'Comprehensives' in Stoke , Oldham (et.al) who are receiving an education far far inferior to the worst 'Modern' schools in Buckinghamshire.

My dear sister how terribly hopeless she is unable to offer , when her brightest Chemistry students the chance to study three separate sciences. All the school does 'Double Science' at GCSE because the school cannot cater for the 4 or 5 students that should be doing Triple Science. This being down to logistics of time, much of which is lost due to sanctioning 'students' that refuse to do anything but shout across the classroom.

I thought the announcement today was that the new schools could open by 2020. If that's the plan, things will have to progress pretty quickly.

Thankfully, my dd and her friends will be too old to be affected by this nonsense, but this doesn't stop me from feeling incredibly angry on behalf of the next generation of kids who will.

It's only three years away. Can anything move that fast?