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Can you raise 2 GCSE English grades in 5 moths

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Mellowautumn · 01/01/2017 18:33

DS14 very bright but more maths/science orientation - has been entered early with all the top set for English language gcse - to 'get it out of the way' by school (no choice as a parent@) he got an e/d in the mock - realistically needs a bit for the unis he's looking at. He mainly has spelling and grammar plus general crap writing skills problems. Can we with some intense tutoring - thinking an hour a night - raise his grades this much in 5 months ? And what methods would you use ? He is totally up for the work as wants to do a particular course at uni

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LooseAtTheSeams · 04/01/2017 09:06

He can get from where he is now to a grade 5 but everyone's working slightly blind on grade bundaries at the moment! I would advise a tutor basically so he can focus on exam technique - if you keep going over what particular questions require and practise writing answers, it really helps. Build up a bank of useful vocabulary for the creative writing and keep revising and practising grammar. He's at a real disadvantage doing the one-year course with the new specification but if they are leaving literature until next year, hopefully the school will put extra effort into preparing students. We teach it in one year in FE but it's tough.
Don't do an hour a night, that's too much! The tutor should be 1-2 hours a week. Ideally, do an hour-long lesson plus homework. However, getting him to read a newspaper (print or online) most days would really help. Magazines on areas that interest him are good, too. One of the writing tasks may well be an article or blog on a particular subject so it will help him get a sense of the style.
I think the school's approach is totally misguided but if they really insist on this, I would get a tutor and focus ruthlessly on the exams!

Tigerblue · 03/01/2017 16:37

My niece got a D in her mocks and a GCSE grade B, so yes it can be done. She wanted to get a grade B as she wanted to do A level English as it was needed in two job areas she was interested in, so she was determined. She didn't have a private tutor, but pushed and pushed the course to help her.

JustRichmal · 02/01/2017 13:16

Salty, sorry, I assumed you were a teacher talking about your school. I have just re-read and realised you have not said you were, so please ignore my question.

JustRichmal · 02/01/2017 13:07

If a child is entered for an exam, but then is ill on the day of the exam is that still considered their first attempt? Or would such a child who actually took the exam the following year have that exam put as their first attempt? If it is the later, you could take this option.

In maths, it is so much easier to get an able child to high GCSE grades earlier as it is just a logical discipline, whereas English draws on life experience. The extra year of maturity will make a difference.

I would also consider getting a tutor to bring his English up anyway. Even if he goes into science, written communication skills are very important. I too was a late reader, slow writer and bad at spelling, but luckily had one of those life changing teachers for English O level.

Salty, my last post was a genuine question. I was not questioning the teachers as it seems they too are trapped in the system where the school is more interested in what is best for the school, rather than each child as an individual. It just seems wrong to get as many children as possible up to grade C, when many could have got to A or A* instead of say B by waiting a year. (Or whatever the equivalent will be in 9-1).

Mellowautumn · 02/01/2017 11:33

PurpleDasues -I will try but this is just one of a string of 'things' with the new managment - I have discussed other issues endlessly - ie him using a laptop and some teachers not being told he can/should( and not just one discussion) - that I'found he has an asthma attack they do need to contact me not leave him alone in the medical room unsupervised etc

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PurpleDaisies · 02/01/2017 10:05

there is no discussion possible with the school to be honest

There is always discussion possible with the school. I bet you're not the only parent worried about this way of doing it not working for their child. You should make an appointment to speak to his teacher.

Mellowautumn · 02/01/2017 10:02

Maths he could easily take early if they had pushed the curriculum along last year - he was working independently from the text book for most of it anyway as was ahead of most of the class - there is no discussion possible with the school to be honest - and I have now checked with other parents and it looks like itshe the whole year group not just top set - which is frankly ridiculous if I use my son as a marker for bottom.of set 1 the standards in set 2/3 must be way below the standard.

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JustRichmal · 02/01/2017 09:33

There has been a lot of threads on taking GCSE maths early where the advice is: Do not unless you are sure they will get the top grade. Only the first result counts, not the resit.

SaltyMyDear, how would you have responded had one of the parents insisted on their child doing the GCSE in year 11 and not year 10? I find it difficult to believe the school was concerned about the top set dropping out. It would not be in their interest to take GCSE early.

Redsrule · 02/01/2017 08:35

It does not sound as if it has been thought through. The requirements for a 5 in English Language, which will be expected for most A Level courses, are closer to the old B than C. Also the new spec requires a recorded spoken task but it does not count towards the grade.

Until this year we always did early entry for Lang but not for Salty's reason more because it allowed the pupils to concentrate on this important subject in January, having a couple of days just doing English prior to the exam. It was incredibly successful.

I would arrange a meeting with the Head of English at your DS's school ASAP. With this being the first sitting of the exam results will be turbulent anyway and it is difficult to prepare for anyway since teachers are to a degree working in the dark.

SaltyMyDear · 02/01/2017 06:58

I wonder if he might be better to fail it this year. Then he can resist next year and get a better grade AND he can miss out on the Lit paper which might also give him lots of trouble.

He's getting these very low grades with a laptop and extra time. Which is significant.

SaltyMyDear · 02/01/2017 06:54

The rationale behind it is easy.

Everyone sits language in Y10. Those who pass sit Lit in Y11. Those who fail resist in Y11 and don't do lit at all. Because Lang is the most important one.

They do it this way because a some children give up in Y11. Stop attending school or discover weed or alchahol or whatever. So those children do better sitting in Y10 than Y11.

It was a good strategy when you were being measured on your number of C grades and above and you didn't care what grade above C students got. Now with progress 8 every grade matters so it's a bad strategy.

Mellowautumn · 02/01/2017 01:20

It's a small state senior school with relatively new head - It was only sprang on us in November so it's not even as if they have been preparing with extra stuff last year. I'm not happy but the school is generally not good at 'discussion' - DS is an August birthday as well -

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Redsrule · 01/01/2017 22:44

Is he at an Indie school? Sounds bonkers and it is clearly a school which is not bothered by P8.

Witchend · 01/01/2017 22:00

Dm tutors maths and she has brought people up that far in 5 months.

But in your case I think I'd request he moves down a set and does it at the proper time. Ridiculous!

TeenAndTween · 01/01/2017 21:41

flutter What on earth is the logic behind your whole y10 sitting a brand new English exam early?

Mellowautumn · 01/01/2017 19:33

Salty he does qualify for extra time via dysplasia - his reading is now adult level so a dyslexia test not applicable now and school wouldnt do them in primary as Iq tests to 140/145 and he's always 'managed'

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SaltyMyDear · 01/01/2017 19:28

If he didn't learn to read till 9, he's dyslexic.

Does he think extra time or a laptop would help him? If so you should spend you money on a proper assessment and get them to see if he qualifies.

(You don't qualify for extra time just because you're dyslexic, but the dyslexia assessor can see if he qualifies. Same with a laptop)

Mellowautumn · 01/01/2017 19:21

Thanks for all your help - it's actually a computer based tutor site called ixl that we areceive using for the English plus one written piece a week from a letter guide -

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Oscha · 01/01/2017 19:15

I'm an English tutor. I've tutored lots of students who've gone up two or three grades between now and the summer, but it is very individual of course. I agree with pp that an hour a night would be a waste (and probably make him hate English). I usually see GCSE students online for an hour a week, and set about an hour's work for them to do in their own time.

Mellowautumn · 01/01/2017 19:14

J62 - I'm not sure about which result he would have to use as I could realistically enter him independently next year

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J62 · 01/01/2017 19:09

Hi! I think you need to talk to the school about whether he really should be entered early. Is his first English exam result the grade that has to be used for the Uni application? If so then it may cause him unnecessary problems and I think I would consider it a risk not worth taking.

If they insist on early entry can they provide him with any additional teaching to boost his grades, for example intervention support or after school enrichment which will guarantee exam success? I think tutoring will help but you need to also think about the impact on his other subjects if he is having to intensely prepare for English. The school need to give you a realistic assessment of how much can be achieved in next few months bearing in mind that writing can take time to develop.

Hope it works out for your son.

Mellowautumn · 01/01/2017 19:05

Salty - not diagnosed as dyslexic but definatit tendencies - didn't learn to read tI'll 9 despite very high IQ when tested by the edge psych

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Mellowautumn · 01/01/2017 19:03

Purple - I think they were quite surprised but all the changes to exams seam to have wrong footed them in quire a few ways. He got 100% on the oracy part of the exam which they have already taken - but he has some Disspraxuaa issues going on with writing - and he is now allowed to use a laptop but his typing is slow

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SaltyMyDear · 01/01/2017 18:58

Is he also dyslexic?

flutterworc · 01/01/2017 18:58

Our entire Y10 are sitting early. Yes, it's likely that they will go up a couple of grades between the mock and the real thing, but as early entry he can indeed sit again as others have told you.

Again, as others have mentioned, it wouldn't help their progress 8 if they didn't think he could do it. Either they more confident than you are, or they may choose to withdraw him nearer the time.

Good luck to him (and you!).

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