Oxfordshire votes to reject grammar schools

Actually I don't, I have 2 nieces there (sorry about the typos.).

sandyholme Yet plenty of DCs in the area get places at Liverpool University. Not sure they all comd from Blue Coats or Belvedere though.

I have 2 neices at Belvedere.

noblegiraffe now you know why I don't understand the arguments about faith schools. Do we really need more selective faith schools?

The best of what Liverpool has to offer with the exception of Blue Coat or Belvedere .

Those two schools are 'vital' for Liverpool otherwise there would be very few decent schools available in Liverpool.

Belvedere used to be a private girls school (Esther Mcvey ) has gradually via the sutton trust at first paying 'fees ' for disadvantaged families has become an Academy.

sandyholme Wed 21-Sep-16 23:35:33 Knowsley does not have any sixth form provision

I'm back in a few weeks, I will ask them how they managed it.

Actually if you look at Liverpool with the exception of Blue Coat the best schools in the City are the Catholic Schools.

How many schools in the area are none faith?

Though unfortunately the Bexleyheath disgrace might cast doubt on that , because two of the schools involved were Catholic.

I can't comment, my DH was the one who grew up in the area, not me.

sandyholme Wed 21-Sep-16 23:26:50 I am an Atheist though i like 'Faith' schools

I'm sure you would have loved my school. It had a lovely chapel, we were taught some of our lessons by nuns (a legacy) and you could have rubbed shoulders with the likes of Kenny Evert and Cherie Blair (age permitting of course). There again, perhaps not, it wasn't a Grammar school.

Knowsley does not have any sixth form provision !

Well done to your Niece and Nephew...

Actually if you look at Liverpool with the exception of Blue Coat the best schools in the City are the Catholic Schools. So there must be some correlation between religion and helping pupils achieve their best.

Though unfortunately the Bexleyheath disgrace might cast doubt on that , because two of the schools involved were Catholic.

sandyholme I fully understand. I have one cousin who went to the same school as I did and went to Oxford. I have another cousin who went to the same school as I did and went to Cambridge (the brother of the cousin who went to oxford). I have cousins who went to grammar schools in the Wirral who went to Durham and Edinburgh University. I have cousin who went private. Actually the list goes on and on. However, what I have found is that they have all made very different choices, have different interests and have pursued different careers. Who'd have thought?

Its difficult to say , because my whole family have been focused around grammar schools 'for ever' both here in Essex and Manchester.

Perhaps i am being a bit 'Snobby' here but i kind of like how the grammar school system has produced time and again for my family (me being the exception to the rule).

P.S I am an Atheist though i like 'Faith' schools ! I could do God in small doses because good faith schools offer so much than Religion .

sandyholme so was the positive outcome because the school was Catholic or because it was a Grammar?

I have a neice & nephew who went to comps. in Knowlsey who are currently at Liverpool University.

Brothers Children before we have a 'PUZZLE'

One of my Nieces and one of my Nephews

I have 1 Niece and Nephew from my Brother and the same from my sister .
The two mentioned are my brothers.

A niece and nephew received a brilliant 'Catholic' grammar school education . My niece has just left Liverpool University with a first in French and Business and my Nephew is at Warwick doing Politics and International studies.

sandyholme Wed 21-Sep-16 22:44:03 Yes i am in favor of faith schools

Do you mind if I ask why?

sandyholme is it likely that a school would have a very low FSM but a very high % of £16,000 to £22,000 income earners?

Would the DCs in the £16,000 to £22,000 household income bracket outperform all their peers at primary school?

Yes i am in favor of faith schools, providing they don't become places preaching 'violence' hate or intolerance towards other religions .

sandyholme are you also in favour of faith schools?

An argument in Bucks is that since relatively few in-county children get into the Grammars, (the Aylesbury ones are usually mentioned), the Sec Mods have a higher than expected percentage of high ability children.

roguedad - At least you are being honest - grammars = saving on school fees. If you were in Kent you might still have to pay, if your kids didn't get into the Grammars.

BTW last time I looked (i.e. yesterday) Oxfordshire County Council was Tory.

What we don't know is how many grammar school families have incomes of between £16,000 to £22,000 PA . Arguably these families could be worse off than families getting FSM and other benefits.

You cannot just base advantage or disadvantage on an arbitrary line , it is far more complex than that.

IT usually means children not on FSM. The only measure of social deprivation that is used is FSM or now Pupil Premium. This can be a blunt measure, but advantaged is very difficult to quantify. Most grammar schools have way below the average number of FSM children in non selective schools.