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BTECs at college - Support thread 2

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TeenAndTween · 19/08/2016 11:45

Following on from the 2015 thread to inform and support each other through the ups and downs of BTECs. Mainly aimed at y12/13 level, but BTECs alongside GCSEs more than welcome too. Plus anyone just considering BTECs and wanting information.

What I learned last year:

You have to hit the ground running as the very first piece of work may well count towards your final grade

DD's course has 3 options like this.

Subsidiary Diploma - 9 units (1 year, 9 units (5 units, then 4 more))
Diploma - 12 units total (2 year, 6 units each year)
Extended Diploma 18 units total (2 year, 9 units each year, 5 in first half of year, 4 in second half)

DD is doing the Diploma (2 A level equivalent), but the college ensures that they do all the 4 'compulsory' units in the first year so if someone drops out they can still qualify for the Subsidiary Diploma (1 A level equivalent?).

You pretty much have to pass every single unit in order to pass the whole thing. There are limited opportunities to re-submit, but there are some. The Pass criteria for DD's course are quite straightforward (if you can structure things properly which DD struggles with). The Merit criteria are harder, and the Distinction criteria need a good level of analysis (that DD doesn't have).

Each unit is made up of a number of Pass, Merit and Distinction criteria. To reach each level you have to meet all the criteria at that level. So if on your first assignment for a unit you miss a Merit criteria, you can't get higher than a pass for the unit (as far as I understand).

Each unit gives you a number of Points. For DD mainly it is 70 for a pass, 80 for a Merit and 90 for a Distinction. To Pass the whole thing she would need 12x70 points - 840, equivalent to EE A level grades. To get CC equivalent she needs 920 minimum. To get AA she would need 1000 points.

DD has up to 3 teachers at any time, each teaching a unit. They teach a bit, and then set an assignment. For a week or 2 they don't teach in some lessons and they use the time to get on with the assignment. Then more teaching and second assignment. Around 4 assignments per unit.

What you don't have to do is 'extra' exam practice, question practice etc. So all work is pretty much set. The students don't have to work out extras. (However exactly what is required for some criteria is about as clear as mud, and DD seems to get little/no feedback on assignments to help her improve for future ones. Sometimes there seem to be implicit requirements that DD doesn't catch on about.)

Disclaimer. I don't know if all BTECs are like DD's !

A couple of useful tables for reference:

Table showing UCAS points

A level equivalent UCAS

And finally the Pearson BTEC site from where you can find specs, unit descriptions, and pass/merit/distinction criteria.

(Praying for less of a roller-coaster this year).

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Draylon · 28/10/2016 22:51

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EllenJanethickerknickers · 27/10/2016 15:37

DS2 won't be learning to drive for a few years yet. His ASD makes him rather immature for his age and he's pretty dyspraxic as well.

Definitely need to have a chat with college next term. I just don't feel like I'm in the loop enough. He's just informed me that he has an assignment to do over half term that he hasn't even started yet. Hmm

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HSMMaCM · 26/10/2016 12:35

Teen we were hoping dd would be driving by next week, but we've postponed her test until January, because she's just not ready.

TeenAndTween · 26/10/2016 11:04

chez nous we have been talking about units, generally meaning a 10 credit unit. This term DD is doing 2 x 5 credit units, but they are equivalent to one 10 credit unit. So she is doing 90 credits this year (hopefully).

yes, assignments (part of a unit) may not all have a distinction criteria. I've found the layout in the spec a pretty good guide. For DD's course some pass/merit criteria don't seem to lead on to a related distinction, so in that case an assignment wouldn't go up to D.

DD has just had an email accepting her to work experience. Yay! Shame it's one we might well need to drive her to though ... (unless she passes her test by May!)

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GasLightShining · 24/10/2016 13:24

DS did 19 units but two of them were credits of 5 so still a total of 180 credits rather than having a fall back of an extra unit

FozzieMK · 24/10/2016 12:23

Just checked for you Draylon. My DD did a total of 19 units overall.

BTECs at college - Support thread 2
Draylon · 24/10/2016 08:12

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eatyourveg · 24/10/2016 07:54

yes a module is the same as a unit - ds did the 18 unit ex dip but they studies 19 units so that there was a back up if one of optional in the 18 was marked down as a failure. Similarly the 13 unit is most likely a 12 unit one with one to spare. The calculator would work it out on the basis of a 2 yr course - the end of the first year is often the 90 credit diploma which you would have to pull a different tab down for. (Confusing I know)

Yes put in the P, M or D and the credits available (there are a few half units with half the credits) - the calculator will know a D is 8 M is 7 and P is 6 or whatever it is. I have never seen a raw score 17/20 given for a unit - all the marks for units have always been PM or D

This understanding marks and grades in btec might help. (no promises) Wink

Draylon · 23/10/2016 20:30

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eatyourveg · 23/10/2016 20:18

here is the grade calculator - at the bottom you pull down the tab for extended diploma and then the tab underneath for how many units it contains - just click on the 13

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MirabelleTree · 22/10/2016 15:11

It made me sleep better at night at one point Draylon Grin Good luck with it, I hope this year does turn out to be a turning point for him.

Draylon · 22/10/2016 12:38

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MirabelleTree · 22/10/2016 12:14

No I had an app on my iPad that I downloaded -BTEC Grade Calculator by Benjamin Hall.

Draylon · 22/10/2016 12:11

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MirabelleTree · 22/10/2016 10:16

Just to encourage anyone whose DC has swapped and missed a couple of weeks that DD did this last year and although the start was stressful it all came good in the end.

She started off scraping passes but later in the year she got the hang of it much more and ended up with 4 distinctions, 2 merits and 5 passes. The College made them do 2 units more than needed so they had some room to manoeuvre. She finished the year with a Distinction Merit on the 90 credit diploma which is the equivalent to 1.5 A levels. Why there are 2 grades I have no idea, there just are. We found the BTEC calculator was accurate in predicting her final grade.

She didn't seem to have many opportunities to resubmit as far as I could tell. Hers was structured differently to some on here. They would be set projects which were either one or two units and there was much less talk of assignments which was confusing at first as everyone else was talking assignments.

Although she didn't enjoy it much DD does admit it did really help her photography and she is having some success of building a small freelance business this year on the back of it, whilst studying something else. So for her there are already some quite tangible benefits and she has decided that photography is the way forward for her, despite saying she hated it at the end of the year.

Draylon · 21/10/2016 16:04

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HSMMaCM · 21/10/2016 08:26

Agreed gas light. Dd is just learning to be independent. She is not ready to be fully independent yet. Although ... she does have some mug more capable friends. As usual, they are all different.

GasLightShining · 20/10/2016 22:52

The system is supposed to be much more strict now but it does annoy me that people I know have grades not much different to DS but are from the year above so had numerous attempts at it. Such is life though.

At the risk of sounding patronising I admire anyone that understands it. Have said it before but DS did L2 at school for two years and then the L3 for another two and I still couldn't get my head around it!!

As far as I am concerned there is plenty of time for them to be treated as adults when they are adults.

EllenJanethickerknickers · 20/10/2016 20:50

Yes, I can see you're coming at it from a different place, draylon. Smile My DS2 has SN though, and doesn't keep me informed at all. I'm realising that the college won't tell me either unless I specifically ask them. Which I will have to do, I think. The ethos of his college seems very much focussed on treating them as young adults rather than children, which would be fine but DS needs a bit more supervision than average.

Draylon · 20/10/2016 19:37

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HSMMaCM · 20/10/2016 17:15

Ellen - my DD's friends have told me more about her coursework than she has. The teacher seems happy, dd seems happy, so I am happy.

EllenJanethickerknickers · 20/10/2016 16:17

Draylon, you seem to have a much better handle on things than I have with my DS. I know he has now handed in his first 2 assignments by the deadline, and is expecting them back with suggested areas for improvement, but as to their content, I'm clueless. He's doing the 2010 btec level 3 in IT, the software development option but all the work has been done in college so I've seen none of it. Your knowledge of the detail makes me wonder if I'm being too laid back. Confused

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