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BTECs at college - Support thread 2

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TeenAndTween · 19/08/2016 11:45

Following on from the 2015 thread to inform and support each other through the ups and downs of BTECs. Mainly aimed at y12/13 level, but BTECs alongside GCSEs more than welcome too. Plus anyone just considering BTECs and wanting information.

What I learned last year:

You have to hit the ground running as the very first piece of work may well count towards your final grade

DD's course has 3 options like this.

Subsidiary Diploma - 9 units (1 year, 9 units (5 units, then 4 more))
Diploma - 12 units total (2 year, 6 units each year)
Extended Diploma 18 units total (2 year, 9 units each year, 5 in first half of year, 4 in second half)

DD is doing the Diploma (2 A level equivalent), but the college ensures that they do all the 4 'compulsory' units in the first year so if someone drops out they can still qualify for the Subsidiary Diploma (1 A level equivalent?).

You pretty much have to pass every single unit in order to pass the whole thing. There are limited opportunities to re-submit, but there are some. The Pass criteria for DD's course are quite straightforward (if you can structure things properly which DD struggles with). The Merit criteria are harder, and the Distinction criteria need a good level of analysis (that DD doesn't have).

Each unit is made up of a number of Pass, Merit and Distinction criteria. To reach each level you have to meet all the criteria at that level. So if on your first assignment for a unit you miss a Merit criteria, you can't get higher than a pass for the unit (as far as I understand).

Each unit gives you a number of Points. For DD mainly it is 70 for a pass, 80 for a Merit and 90 for a Distinction. To Pass the whole thing she would need 12x70 points - 840, equivalent to EE A level grades. To get CC equivalent she needs 920 minimum. To get AA she would need 1000 points.

DD has up to 3 teachers at any time, each teaching a unit. They teach a bit, and then set an assignment. For a week or 2 they don't teach in some lessons and they use the time to get on with the assignment. Then more teaching and second assignment. Around 4 assignments per unit.

What you don't have to do is 'extra' exam practice, question practice etc. So all work is pretty much set. The students don't have to work out extras. (However exactly what is required for some criteria is about as clear as mud, and DD seems to get little/no feedback on assignments to help her improve for future ones. Sometimes there seem to be implicit requirements that DD doesn't catch on about.)

Disclaimer. I don't know if all BTECs are like DD's !

A couple of useful tables for reference:

Table showing UCAS points

A level equivalent UCAS

And finally the Pearson BTEC site from where you can find specs, unit descriptions, and pass/merit/distinction criteria.

(Praying for less of a roller-coaster this year).

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catslife · 19/09/2016 13:29

Am lurking on this thread as dd is taking a vocational A level subject (Health and Social care) which is mostly taken as a BTEC so some of the advice could well be useful. She did a level 2 ICT certificate in Y11 which was part exam and part coursework.
engineer I think that exams are coming back as part of many vocational courses such as BTECs. I agree that qualifications shouldn't just be about university entrance and am sure that many who take them do go into employment. Colleges should publish details of where students go after they complete their courses

Draylon · 19/09/2016 13:18

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engineersthumb · 15/09/2016 05:51

It's interesting reading this. DS is still a way off college but it's nice to understand what's out there. BTEC appears to have changed a lot as I sat module end exams and year end exams (when the earth was still cooling! ). I hold two and found these well regarded at the time as the defacto replacement of ONCs. Are they still received well by employers as well as universities?

sashh · 15/09/2016 05:16

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pleasemothermay1 · 14/09/2016 19:42

He'll need blue dust coat for Monday for engereeing however is there any builder style shops that I can buy it screw fix and b&q and wicks don't sell them 🙁

GasLightShining · 13/09/2016 21:04

Draylon DS used to write bits but I think there was stuff they could access through the college website as well

Sounds like he is enjoying it

cricketballs · 13/09/2016 17:59

There has only been 1 of the textbooks published so far for Business; we are expecting the 2nd student book (which contains 2 of the externally assessed mandatory units) around Christmas.

How I teach it (and I know of a local college that also does) is that all teaching materials- presentations/case studies etc is available to students.

Each institution will have their own assessment plan therefore dates will be different and as a PP said they have to do some learning first!

The assignments are on the Edexcel site, but we are still allowed to write our own as long as they meet the learning aims and the assessment criteria so don't presume these are the ones that will be issued

HSMMaCM · 13/09/2016 17:34

DD did something with a power point the other day. I think it was for drama ??

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TeenAndTween · 13/09/2016 13:53

I have no idea either what DD's first assignments will be or when they will be due.

They have to learn stuff first, so possibly not set for a couple of weeks, and then she normally get 2 weeks or so to do them. (That's what happened last year anyway).

The Pearson documents give teaching guidelines, but they aren't prescriptive as to exact details of assignments etc.

Last year for DD was very up and down with work. Some weeks hardly any, other weeks loads. She could balance that with her Spanish last year but doesn't have the option this year.

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Draylon · 13/09/2016 12:52

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HSMMaCM · 12/09/2016 18:52

DD has already volunteered to help out with all sorts of extra curricular dance stuff which is nothing to do with her btec. Can't wait until she passes her driving test, so we don't have to keep collecting her, because she misses her bus if she's late.

TeenAndTween · 12/09/2016 11:05

DD's new timetable is online. I'm quite pleased with it. No need to go to college one day a week, and a second day she could theoretically work at home in the morning and go in at lunchtime. On the other days not too many 'free' periods to waste time in.

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FozzieMK · 12/09/2016 09:41

Draylon My DD had home study every week which was usually typing up an assignment. This was then submitted via the moodle system and she would then be given it back with a mark and suggestions how to improve it if needed. She seemed to have constant work at home, unless she was just telling me she did!!

TeenAndTween · 11/09/2016 20:17

With DD's course it would help if she read around issues a bit (basically reading newspapers and picking up tourism related issues), but the only 'homework' is doing the assignments.
She does find it helps if she reads the text book a bit.
Don't know how relevant that experience is for an IT related course though.

Can you do a deal with your DS that you are 'on' him for first assignments, but if he gets on and does them with no panics you'll gently back off?

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EllenJanethickerknickers · 10/09/2016 15:03

Lyn, I think it's generally useful if they know, may allow them to give him the benefit of the doubt in some situations if nothing else. Well done, him. If he's taken ownership of enrolling, hopefully he'll give the course a fair shot.

Not your responsibility, Teen. As they get older you can lead them to water but can't make them drink.

TeenAndTween · 10/09/2016 09:53

Lyn That's impressive he just got on and enrolled himself! (I would still tell the college re the ASD, telling them might not help, but it can't harm surely?)

I've not been all that well this summer, so some things have been sliding. However a couple of weeks ago I asked DD whether we'd bought the Book 2 text book for her course at the start of the summer. She replied 'yes I think so'. Then more recently made remarks about packing her bag for college.

Just checked her room and bag. No Book 2s to be found. Sad Was it really my responsibility to check?

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LynetteScavo · 10/09/2016 07:26

And because he's enrolled himself DS hasn't informed college he's on the Autistic spectrum. Very mildly, but he has a diagnosis. It didn't seem to help at sixth form that they knew, so I don't think it will help at college...I've been dithering about this.

LynetteScavo · 10/09/2016 07:22

DS also needs safety boots....does anyone know exactly how much practical is involved in Level 3 BTEC Engineering?

LynetteScavo · 10/09/2016 07:17

Marking my place as DS1 seems to have enrolled himself on a BTEC Extended diploma baccalaureate (it includes maths Alevel and he hates mathsConfusedHmmShockGrin) in Engineering. He enrolled while I was away, and has actually gone into college everyday so far. All I've had to do is write a check for £150 for trips.

He decided last February he didn't want to be at 6th form any more and has sat in his bedroom since then. No amount of cajoling from us worked (understatement) so I've just let him sort himself out with this BTEC...now he seems committed I need to find out what is actually involved!

EllenJanethickerknickers · 08/09/2016 20:27

Well that was spooky. Just had a phone call from an old friend, going back about 25 years or so, who I've lost touch a little with in the last couple of years. Not fallen out at all, just both busy and children different ages.

She got a job last November working as an LSA (learning support assistant) at the local college. Only in the computing department. She saw DS2's name on the course list yesterday and popped in to introduce herself. She may well end up supporting him for some sessions. They met originally at her wedding, when DS2 was the youngest guest at 2 weeks old! Grin

It'll be brilliant to have a spy in the camp!

EllenJanethickerknickers · 08/09/2016 08:04

DS2 managed to get to college and back solo yesterday for his induction day. I was a bit surprised to find out he now doesn't actually start the course until Monday! Two more days lounging around at home...

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