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progress 8 based on KS2 SATS

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summerchocolate · 20/07/2016 22:23

On one of the other SATS posts here someone had explained that "progress 8 attainment is based on KS2 SATS scores. That is why secondaries use them to predict grades- they need to get all pupils to an = or + score for progress 8".

Can anyone explain this. I can understand for maths how this might work but how would it work for English where there is a separate score for reading and SPAG plus a teacher assessed writing. The results for each may be very different to each other? Which part would they use for an English score?

Even if secondary schools don't have any faith in the SATS results themselves are they being forced to use them to set their own GCSE targets and to be measured against on progress?

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PenelopePitstops · 21/07/2016 22:17

Teacher assessment means bugger all from now on. At the moment the targets are based on the total English result but this will change to be just the reading score (if I read the documents properly!).

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summerchocolate · 21/07/2016 22:14

Sorry do you mean that for children going into KS4 in 2017 so currently maybe yr 8 or 9 onwards will only have their maths and reading exam scores included to create the target and nothing else including nothing teacher assessed. Is the plan that this then applies to current year 6 too?

This is absolutely crazy.

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Essexmum69 · 21/07/2016 17:59

DS2's Art teacher is going to struggle then as he scored highly in his Sats but his year 6 report puts him as emerging for Art (at 11.8 years he still can't colour within the lines and his free drawing is infant standard, so no hope I feel)
What a ridiculous system!

stubiff · 21/07/2016 17:05

Currently it is based on combining English & Maths. For the 2017 KS4 cohort onwards it will be based on Reading & Maths.

LockedOutOfMN · 21/07/2016 15:05

Spare a thought for the heads of department in subjects like art, chemistry, economics and music who are held accountable for their Year 10 students' results in comparison to predictions made on their literacy, numeracy and SPAG scores aged 10!

Agree with OP, it is crazy and another example of the government's failures both to respect teachers as professionals and to think through properly before taking decisions that affect millions of children and thousands of school.

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summerchocolate · 21/07/2016 14:04

What!! This gets crazier and crazier. A child with failed maths and 100% on reading and SPAG could have a totally unreasonably high target for maths GCSE?

Do you mean they use the total of the scores of 3 exams ie reading, SPAG and maths?
Presumably they cant use teacher assessed writing as there is only pass, fail or exceed or can they??

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noblegiraffe · 21/07/2016 08:33

You'd like to think that they use the English score to predict English and the Maths score to predict maths, but they don't. They use the SATs total to predict everything.

BoneyBackJefferson · 20/07/2016 22:33

You are right in that the targets for Ks4 are based on the year Ks2 Sats results.

However the targets are not set by schools they are set by the family fisher trust, they take the data and extrapolate probability for all subjects, including those for subjects that are not directly linked to the Sats results.

As these are the measure used by the LEAs, league tables and the government the schools are required forced to used them.