Term two and a half and daughter still hates secondary school

Fantastic news regarding the girl asking your DD to sit with her - is that continuing or was it just for one lesson? Whichever one it's an excellent start.

I would still go and look round/sit the exams for the independent school. You can always tell them in advance that your DD feels nervous and I am sure they will take that into account and try to put her at ease. Maybe after she has sat the exams she could join a form to see what it might be like were she to attend the school. Could the school could arrange for a Sixth Former (who has been at the school since year 7, enjoys sport or whichever subject your DD likes) to take you on a tour of the school too - that way you could ask her all about the school, whether or not she has enjoyed it, what she liked, didn't like.

In the run up to her visit try to keep the subject of the possibility of changing school really low key and just be as matter of fact about it all as you can. It must be very hard for you having to deal with this.

My advice - Don't mention the new school again - it really complicates things and will add to her stress.

Ask her about her mentors - you mentioned she was turning up late - why is this? The problem is that they will start to give up if they feel she is not interested and they are left hanging around waiting a lot.

What exactly are the things that have been suggested? Do you know what she is waiting to be told about.

Unfortunately, there are things in pastoral that suddenly take centre stage when least expected - suicide attempt, an allegation, a difficult home problem, a looked after child running away, a serious fight, a child cutting themselves or having a melt down. It sounds like they are treating this seriously - but if dd is not really willing to go along with the suggestions then it's hard. The girl offering to sit with her is a great start - that's all she wants really - friendship and people being nice.

It's not promising that they haven't done what they said they'd do.

How was she at primary? If similar issues then perhaps it's worth staying at the school for a while and getting her some counselling. If this is a new issue and she was always happy at primary then perhaps moving school might be the answer. Either way some counselling should help her to come to a decision about what she thinks might be best. Keep talking to her op.

When I moved DS1 to private in year 9 They only contacted his state school when I gave them permission.

For DS1 it wasn't an immediate change but the new school has given him the space to find his feet. Also the school has the time and interest to make him succeed.

You say your DD is appearing positive at the moment about her current school which is fantastic and if things turn out just fine you'll not be giving the Girls' School a second thought. However, if in a few weeks or months things have not improved you will most probably feel regret at not having visited the Girls' School. So I'd say go and look round - explore the possibilities and take it from there. Unfortunately school fees have a habit of increasing by between approx 3% & 5% each year so make sure you can afford the school - not just now, but in the future too.

The Girls' School may have plenty of sporting opportunities/clubs that will rekindle your DD's interest in sport and, as you say, she worked hard to get to her current school so hopefully the entrance exam will be just fine.

The school won't hold it against you if you are looking at other schools.

I would just tell the truth: you are investigating the options, but would prefer it if DD could make a success of the current school. I left DCs' state school for a private school and was able to negotiate the whole thing without burning any bridges, it is possible. We left on good terms, the old HT still greets us and asks after the DC 7 years later :) I find, generally in life, that being straight and polite is the way to do things. Nothing to lose by looking at the other school IMO.

It MAY just be that the current school is the wrong school for her, or it may well just be a phase (it can be a huge shock going from a small primary to a big comp) and she is still finding her feet. Hard call!

I hope she makes a friend soon, it is heartbreaking to watch your child go through this. But there must be LAODS of other kids looking for friendship. Hope it works out.

This was me when I was younger. Change schools. Easier said than done but it sounds like you are actually an amazing parent who is aware if all of these problems and being proactive. Unlike my parents. It greatly affected me and I have suffered for my entire life because of school. I hope you manage to sort it soon

Hi Tupperware due to being an expat my dd has moved school 4 times every move was great until the last one uk comp year 8 . She was very confident about the move but it was a nightmare never gelled with any children made no friends although I honestly believe she really tried. Involved the school but made little progress . By the February my dd was a different child no confidence the stress of the situation caused her to start pulling out her eyelashes and I was beside myself . We moved school in the end. It was the best thing we did she loves her new school her confidence is back and family life restored. Your school sounds great in the steps they are making but I would still explore moving school just in case it dosent work . Visit the girls school your dd may love it (or hate it!) but at least you will have options available

Changing schools is really bottom of my list as I think that the problem doesn't lie with the school but more in DD's confidence.

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keep the other school as an option later. sounds like the school is working with you. if your dd doesn't want to change classes i doubt she will want to change schools. it's got to come from her - what does she think?

If you can afford the private school, and DD likes the idea, I think a fresh start could make changing her feelings easier to pull off.

You said she was happy before her brother joined so perhaps being independent of him can be better for her; maybe she feels he is more popular and feels rejected. Also; not sure how she feels about all that counselling, meetings, etc. She may think she is a problem and that can affect her too. Have you discussed with her the possibilities of changing school? Can you go and see the other school with her? I know is in the bottom of your list and you know your daughter better the end of the day.

Why don't you just take her to the GP and get her blood test checked to make sure there is not any other condition triggering it without mentioning depression but just to make sure she is not lacking any vitamins, lvitamin D, iron, check her thyroid, etc Making sure everything is in order.

Also look into moving her to a different school where she is independent of her twin; she must feel very rejected knowing she was kicked out after her brother joined school and that is affecting her a lot.

Could you also look into any other alternative treatment like cranial osteopathy to help her feel a bit more relaxed; perhaps yoga .

Best of luck; she must feel really lonely.

OP GP's will not prescribe anti depressants to a 11/12 year old, AD's are not licensed in children and therefore the NICE guidelines state they should only be prescribed after consultation by a psychiatrist.
If your DD is having suicidal thoughts then this is safe guarding issue and therefore there is no confidentiality between counsellor and her when it comes to keeping her safe therefore the counsellor doesn't have to ask for your DD's permission to talk to you. Although obviously she cannot necessarily tell you everything she say.
OP go and see your GP and see if you can get a CAMHs ref. I'd also look into the qualifications of the counsellor in my now very extensive experience some are great but many have only the most basic qualifications/experience and do not know how to deal with teenagers having suicidal thoughts.

Hi OP - does the school have a prefect system amongst the older students? If so, they might be able to help out at lunch/break times by involving her in something or just inviting her to sit with them occasionally. Possibly worth asking HOY when you go to meeting.

4whats makes an excellent suggestion and I am surprised the school has not taken that approach initially.

She is clearly feeling ostracised at school and it is having a detrimental effect.

Is she in a school where none of her previous friends went?

Have you considered changing schools? Is it an option?

Does your DD have all or most of her lessons with her Form. If so could you ask for her to be moved into a different Form. The school may say it is not their policy to move children, but push for her to be moved if necessary. There will be other children to be friends with at her school - she just needs to find them and the best way is to be put with a new set. We usually only make friends from the circles we move in.

Are you sure the boy who excluded her from the group (or someone else) isn't saying unkind things to her. Is she avoiding going to the canteen because she has no friends and doesn't want to go alone or is it because someone who is being unpleasant might be in there.

Apart from her twin and possibly the boy who excluded her from the group did she have other friends at primary? Are they at her current school and if so could she be moved to their form?

Tupperware - so sorry to hear this. There is nothing worse than feeling powerless to help your child. I think the school need to take far more robust measures. The counselling sessions are very important, but the damage is being done at lunchtimes / social times. Could they not identify another girl who is struggling to make friends and "buddy" them up in some way? Your dd may feel like she's the only one who is isolated, but this will not be the case! Year 7 can be horrendous - lots of social jostling, differences in maturity, acting out, etc. Believe me, I have been there! If I was the head at that school, I would identify a more mature / kind pupil or two and give her / them the "special task" of befriending your dd and trying to integrate her. Both sides can only benefit here. The girl or girls chosen should report to a particular teacher daily about how things are going, so that the support doesn't lose impetus. They will feel proud to have been enlisted to help. Sometimes, this is all it takes. I think you should demand this today. Good luck.

My dd was very unhappy at her secondary school (yr 7) and we decided to move her, which we did this term. So far she seems happier, but she has always been shy and struggled to make friends, moving to secondary school just amplified things. New school is much smaller.

Feeling deeply for you as a mum and sending a virtual hug ....
Great advice above -

1. Absolutely see GP and DEMAND a referral for therapy (he can have access to school psychologist report to help this). Yes, there's a long wait but she needs to be in the system to get a proper assessment. Simply being seen by a GP may help her spirits & properly managed, short-term anti-depressants can help enormously. Bottom-line is though, none of us can determine that - she needs to see a medical professional.
2. Demand to be in that meeting at school whatever - you are the mother here.
3. Great idea to pursue external clubs - perhaps for her drawing which you say she loves? Will help meet friends with similar interests. Perhaps also an out of school netball club or whatever she used to love doing? You'd be amazed how an additional external perspective can help.
4. Not eating lunch worries me - if this is the case, the school has a duty of care to ensure this is happening and if they can't provide supervision, perhaps you could meet her in school car-park to eat together?

There's no doubt your DD sounds a very troubled girl right now, but she's lucky to have her loving mum, who's going to give her the strength to get through this. Year 7 is often a rubbish year for many kids (mine had so many ups and down), so do reassure her that some of this at least is the tough part of growing up that everyone goes through (even the confident looking ones). But also that she'll get the support she needs with everything else. Wishing you all the best xxx

It's not clear if you have taken her to the GP at all yet. Don't assume that the only option is anti-depressants and if it is going to help her anyway, please don't discount it. Also you say the waiting list for therapy is long but is she even on the list?

Is your DD able to tell you why specifically she is sad - bullying, struggles with work, being overwhelmed in a larger school environment, all of the above or something else?

What about her getting involved in something outside of school - sport, music, drama, cadets? It may not help with friendships in school but it might give her other friends and improve her self-esteem which must be on the floor by now?

Can you pay for some sessions of private therapy?

I was like your dd, I didn't get the antidepressants until I was in my 30s but looking back I should have had them sooner.

For a child it would not be looked at as a long term thing and might just help.

What is happening with her brother? Can't he meet her at break?