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Can you explain the logic behind not setting?

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Turquoiseskies · 08/02/2016 19:07

Ds will start at a large ofsted level 3 school in year 7.

A large bulk of the school will come from areas where expectations are low. These children will come in achieving at a lower level. This may be due to ability or lack of parental expectation amongst other things I guess.
A smaller number come from an area where children are likely to have a higher level when going in. Many children from this area will have been sent to private secondary hence why less of them.
My ds is quiet and conscientious and should be achieving a level 6 by the summer.
I have reservations about the school but we have no option. According to ofsted there is a culture of low level distribution in the classes. I had clung onto the fact that ds would be in the higher sets and that would hopefully mean he avoided much of the disruption.
Anyhow I have heard that there is a move away from setting now and that they will be having mixed groups.
So behaviour aside how on earth can a secondary teacher manage for example a class of 33 where the range of ability is so huge. I can't see that benefiting the able , less able or middle children and I'm
Not sure who benefits. Or are the clever ones meant to help the rest?
I'm worried he will get bored or teased for being clever or fail to make progress etc
Any experiences welcome.

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senua · 08/02/2016 20:44

Our Headteacher used to justify not setting essay-type subjects on the basis that girls mature earlier than boys so the school would end up with a girl-heavy top set and a boy-heavy bottom set. They didn't set until they got to GCSE.
But he was an idiot.

Turquoiseskies · 08/02/2016 20:44

Oh dear you've confirmed what I was worried about.
I was at an inner city comprehensive in the 80s and and we were set for maths even then.
His currently primary sets and the top set is really pushed.
I can't see what we can do really.

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timelytess · 08/02/2016 20:39

Former teacher.
Excuse my language.
There's no fucking logic in it, its a pathetic socialist attempt at equality which leads to falling standards for everyone. Who, elsewhere in life, would be led by/held down by the weakest? When countries take part in sports events, do they train everyone together, from the international standard athletes to the born-again couch-potatoes?
Its a load of bollocks.
Set, ruthlessly, for capability in that subject and for behaviour.

Lurkedforever1 · 08/02/2016 20:33

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Lurkedforever1 · 08/02/2016 20:32

The usual line is that it benefits the middle and lower achievers, whilst 'only' negatively effecting the high achievers. Not something I'm remotely in favour off.

However I will say it depends on how good they actually are at differentiating. Dd was in mixed ability classes throughout primary with a mostly low achieving cohort, some round the average range. The differentiation she got was actually far better than what I gather is the more normal 'one size fits all' ability group teaching.

Whether your son's school fits into the 'hold the able back for others benefit' group, or the amazing individual differentiation group depends on how good both teachers and leadership are.