Please or to access all these features

Secondary education

Connect with other parents whose children are starting secondary school on this forum.

Can anyone 'rank' the SW London selective schools

187 replies

FlumePlume · 01/02/2016 11:53

Inspired by the SW London thread, I was wondering if there's a generally agreed 'ranking' for selective schools in SW London? The usual advice is to go for three - a stretch, a should-get and a banker. But what does this actually mean in terms of schools? Coming from a state primary, the whole thing is very opaque.

OP posts:
FlumePlume · 16/12/2016 20:23

eeyores I think Alleyns would be an impossible commute, but I will check.

I have no idea on CAT scores, her school doesn't do them (or if they do, they haven't told us!).

Her music isn't that good in terms of grades. She'll do G2 next term on her first instrument and isn't doing grades on her second as she's just playing for fun and so she can play in a group. Dance is her main focus, rather than music.

OP posts:
eeyoresgrumpierfriend · 16/12/2016 18:41

Alleyns sounds like it could be a good fit if the journey is ok from where you are (I know you asked about SW schools so maybe not) but co-ed, very academic and attracts arty children.

Otherwise co-ed options are fairly limited.

I think for SPG/JAGS these days you need CAT scores of 130+ so top 2% nationally .

In terms of music, it's worth bearing in mind that 11+ scholarship candidates need grade 5+ on main instrument plus probably another instrument at grade 3+ (suspect it is actually higher for the some of the schools mentioned). Not sure if you were looking at this route but either way it is quite indicative of just how musical lots of these kids are. There are quite a few kids at grade 4 in yr 4 at my DS' school.

FlumePlume · 16/12/2016 15:02

cake I do know that paying doesn't guarantee happiness, but it gives more options than the local two schools I mentioned in my last post, and that's what I want to explore. On the dance side, she's not got the build for a classical ballerina and and anyway I have a lot of misgivings about that route at 11 for all sorts of reasons. Arts Ed is an interesting idea, but a fairly long commute. But I would really like to find a school where she could do a lot of dance, drama and music there - it's what makes her happy and where she feels she fits in.

OP posts:
cakeisalwaystheanswer · 16/12/2016 13:21

There have also been a lot of DCs, surprisingly 7 I know of, who have been moved out of mainstream schools fo dance and drama specialist schools Artsed etc. Even schools who have a huge theatre programme are losing pupils because there just isn't enough drama/dance etc for them. So it may be worth looking at some of these as well if she is passionate about dance in Y6.

cakeisalwaystheanswer · 16/12/2016 13:14

But writing a cheque doesn't guarantee a child will be happy, there are unhappy children in both sectors.

We choose the perfect school for DS in Y6 when he pre-tested for a 13+ entry but he changed a lot over the next few years and with hindsight a different school would have suited him better. He thought about moving for 6th form but has lovely friends etc and is very settled and he decided to stay put. Your DD is only Y4 and she will change a lot over the next few years.

FlumePlume · 16/12/2016 12:11

Museum I may be over-preparing, I agree. But I'd like to get a sense of options to narrow down the open days that we then book to go to in Y5.

cake I'm not, and I'll go and look. We have two realistic options, but having met the Head of one of them I was not impressed, and the other has (accordingly to other parents) had a turnaround Head and its' not yet clear whether it's worked. But it's not primarily about GCSE and A level grades (although I disagree that a bright child will do well anywhere in exam terms, they might well not do well if they're miserable), it's about where dd will be happy, be challenged academically, have friends, have time for music and dance and all the other stuff she enjoys.

OP posts:
cakeisalwaystheanswer · 16/12/2016 11:21

Please don't ignore your local state schools. There seems to be some common belief on MN that because state school children can also get into good private senior schools prep schools miust be a waste of money. But if you turn the clock forward a few years you will find that the bright children who stayed in the state system have done incredibly well and better than less bright children in private schools and will go onto better Unis. There are some amazing comps in SW London who get DCs into top Unis every year so don't overlook them. Indy schools are a nice to have but not needed to do well in this area.
And having older children I see as the realisation of the huge cost of university fees hits friends who made sacrifices to send their DCs privately, many of them are now questioning whether they should have stuck with state schools as their DCs will have student loans because they have run out of cash.

nocampinghere · 16/12/2016 10:40

ps we were state primary too with no advice from school. actually they were a bit annoyed she wasn't going for Tiffin. That would have been a terrible choice for her.
The state heads don't know the schools. They can only advise based on where "children like your's from our school tend to get in".

MuseumOfCurry · 16/12/2016 10:31

Flume I'm aware that you're at a state school with no guidance, I mentioned that preps advise late in year 5 by way of explanation that year 4 is possibly a bit early to start figuring out which school suits her.

FlumePlume · 16/12/2016 09:49

nocamping DD would (she thinks) prefer co-ed. I think that's because she just hasn't found any friends amongst the girls at school, and her best friend happens to be a boy. I suspect that she would find girls who shared her interests at a bigger and academically selective school, and in general I think girls do better from 11-16 in single-sex. So girls only is my preference, co-ed is hers.

OP posts:
nocampinghere · 16/12/2016 08:55

sorry am confused - you say you want I'd like to find her an all girls school for 11-16 which suits a serious, quirky, dance and music loving child.

but then talk about co-ed?

nocampinghere · 16/12/2016 08:54

have a good look at KGS
very easy journey from wimbledon

Ashers40 · 15/12/2016 23:48

OP I live in your area and went through this last year with my DD, also from a state primary with no advice from them. I looked at about 14 schools (mostly during year 5), including state, grammar and private, mostly single sex but a couple of co-eds too. I can't say I found it an enlightening process. In the end our favoured school was the one she could walk to, that also provided good academics and I'm not regretting the decision. With a longer school day and lots of homework a 15 minute walk home is a massive plus and lots of her friends are local.

SAHDthatsall · 15/12/2016 22:54

I had a quick look back to see where you live but haven't been through all the thread so sorry if this has been suggested before.. City of London Freemans in Ashtead. It's 22 mins train from Wimbledon and they have a shuttle bus up to the school. You could enter early as well as they go through from a young age. Co-Ed. We've always liked it and DS did apply there but I was never 100% keen as the journey for us is not great. Lovely grounds and facilities. You should have a look.

We were state primary too by the way, 2 boys, and no advice from school!

FlumePlume · 15/12/2016 21:50

She's at a state primary, so no advice or support at all. That's why I started this thread, to get a sense of where would be sensible places to look at and then to try and whittle that down to a shortlist.

OP posts:
MuseumOfCurry · 15/12/2016 21:25

Don't worry about it, that's what MN is here for.

Year 4 is early days and most preps (who have a good grasp on matching kids with schools) won't advise until late year 5. Most selectives (superselectives?) want 125+ on standardised test scores e.g. INCAS.

FlumePlume · 15/12/2016 20:50

Museum Feels weird to answer as too much like boasting, but here goes. She does very well academically (working at greater depth across the board last year, whatever that means) and is currently in Y4. Particularly strong in English, absolutely voracious reader and working well beyond anyone in her class on comprehension etc. Maths is good, among the top few but varies by the topic. Also musical (can read music, play an instrument and sing simple part songs/rounds) and very keen on dance.

OP posts:
MuseumOfCurry · 15/12/2016 20:43

How is your daughter academically? What year is she in?

Emanuel is riding a tide at the moment, it's co-ed, has a sibling policy and is incredibly customer-service orientated.

FlumePlume · 15/12/2016 20:24

Interesting to see this has revived again.

Having had more of a look, the thing I'm finding is the lack of co-ed options locally. There's Emanuel (which isn't that local, but an easy journey to Clapham Junction), but not much else that's easy to get to. Though it may be that what dd wants is a school where she fits, and as the only child she gets on with in her class at the moment is a boy, she thinks that'll be co-ed.

I'd like to find her an all girls school for 11-16 which suits a serious, quirky, dance and music loving child.

OP posts:
ilovegreen · 14/12/2016 22:16

*a Confused

ilovegreen · 14/12/2016 22:12

The a Royal Grammar School, Guildford.

There's a RGS in Reading too. Assuming it's not that one.

schmack · 14/12/2016 19:47

which school is RGS, forgive my ignorance, i dont know the more central schools.

MuseumOfCurry · 14/12/2016 12:21

I've crossed posts with SAHD.

MuseumOfCurry · 14/12/2016 12:20

Oxbridge is the best measure of its kind that we have for now.

I'd like to see similar stats for the US Ivies or other top international universities for reasons you suggest agapanthii but I suspect that as cake says there's a pretty standard distribution of students applying to top universities.

SAHDthatsall · 14/12/2016 12:16

Indeed, Oxbridge is not the only indicator of success but at the moment it is the easiest comparable indicator for academic success - but not one we ever thought about when finding the right school for the right child.

I reckon my eldest could easily have gone the Oxbridge route for maths which he finds very easy for some reason, but there is no way that would suit him and he didn't even consider it!

Swipe left for the next trending thread