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Can anyone 'rank' the SW London selective schools

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FlumePlume · 01/02/2016 11:53

Inspired by the SW London thread, I was wondering if there's a generally agreed 'ranking' for selective schools in SW London? The usual advice is to go for three - a stretch, a should-get and a banker. But what does this actually mean in terms of schools? Coming from a state primary, the whole thing is very opaque.

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Clavinova · 03/02/2017 11:35

In what way are the Tiffin doing a 'poor job' though ?
www.compare-school-performance.service.gov.uk/school/136910

A 125 CAT score only seems to equate to a 5b on the old KS2 scale for English. Is the 125+ CAT score supposed to translate to 50% A* rate for every subject - I've only seen this prediction in relation to maths GCSE?

WhyOhWine · 03/02/2017 10:57

If you are thinking co-ed, have a look at Ibstock. I know a few girls who go there from Wimbledon. It is meant to be big on drama so might also be good for music and dance.
It is lower down academically, but still pretty good, so depends on the relative importance of the different factors I guess.

On the girls school side, I think the most popular schools for Wimbledon girls are WHS and PHS as you would expect, with LEH in the mix for very academic girls and Surbiton a popular back up. I think there is huge benefit in going local so if I lived in Wimbledon and had a bright DD I would choose WHS over LEH, with maybe a move to KCS for 6th form in mind.

SAHDthatsall · 03/02/2017 10:27

Tiffin results perhaps skewed by their old VR & NVR exam methods which meant hot house style repetitive learning for several years for parents desperate to get their kids into Tiffins. Especially true of the Asian sector which accounts for the majority at the school and thus suggests the medicine route for those whose lives have been planned for them?

tourbillon · 02/02/2017 17:40

It's a fair point though - and a real shame.

Ontopofthesunset · 02/02/2017 17:03

I was just being a bit jocular. Lots of my sons' best friends fall into that category. But I was serious that medicine doesn't seem that attractive an option to them.

tourbillon · 02/02/2017 16:36

Is it a crime to be a "privately educated scion of the City"? A slightly negative way to describe many hardworking children who happen to be born to professional parents! I hope not, on a thread about SW London indies!

Ontopofthesunset · 02/02/2017 15:11

Oh, of course you can be a rich banker or lawyer from plenty of universities. It was more the numbers going into medicine. I think it's decreasingly attractive for the privately educated scions of the City.

Clavinova · 02/02/2017 14:43

You can be a rich lawyer or banker via Oxbridge of course.

Ontopofthesunset · 02/02/2017 13:54

Sorry, I meant the Hampton cohort.

Ontopofthesunset · 02/02/2017 13:54

I reckon some of that will be the different demographic. More of the RGS cohort want to be rich bankers and lawyers rather than work terrible hours in the increasingly underfunded NHS. I wouldn't encourage my child into medicine unless they had an unswerving passion for it (mind you, I wouldn't encourage banking or the law unless they had a genuine interest in those either.) I am generalising massively and my tongue is slightly in my cheek.

Clavinova · 02/02/2017 11:26

RGS - Royal Grammar School Guildford.

Oxbridge isn't the only focus for Tiffin though - they produced 19 medics in 2016 (10%) compared to Hampton's 8 (4%). Speaking as a fan of both schools.

AveEldon · 02/02/2017 07:30

Which RGS are we talking about?

roseshippy · 01/02/2017 22:11

Some of the grammar schools do a poor job.

Tiffin - 51% A* GCSE
Hampton 68%
RGS - 80%

A 125+ CAT score predicts on average with no special schooling whatsoever, a 50% A* rate at GCSE, so basically Tiffin (boys) is providing no value added at all (especially as I suspect their CAT scores are rather higher than 125. They are taking in the very best and giving them what they would expect to get anywhere.

Also the Oxbridge stats for the boys at Tiffin - 9%, Hampton - 12%, RGS 28%

People are totally misguided when they send their children on ridiculous journeys or coach them for years to get in there. The school succeeds because of the children. Not the other way round.

OhTheRoses · 29/12/2016 10:12

Well indeed noitsnot but I do want to hear cakes recommendations, particularly as my dc atended one of the Putney primaries and now they are 22 and 18 I am surprised at the universities the very cleverest children from their classes who transferred to Wandsworth schools are now at compared to the number of children who left those primaries at 8/9 who were distinctly more average and who are now at RG universities.

Noitsnotteatimeyet · 29/12/2016 07:28

Graveney in Tooting is one of the schools that usually gets trotted out on these threads. It does get several Oxbridge places every year however that's from a massive sixth form (>700) and it's not really a normal comp as the combination of 25% super selective intake and their siblings skews the proportion of high achievers.

OhTheRoses · 28/12/2016 20:11

cakes which SW London comps were you referring to please?

Haggard1 · 18/12/2016 20:38

The Whitgift Foundation schools: Trinity, Whitgift and Old Palace in Croydon have a pretty good bursary pot which attracts a lot of applications to the schools esp from those considering grammars or good state schools.

Pop2 · 18/12/2016 20:32

FP-DS scored 120,now at Tiffin.

nocampinghere · 18/12/2016 20:22

re CATS score our state primary didn't do them but they did do PIPS or EPIPS in reception, yr2 and yr4. Apparently they can be good indicators of natural ability, particularly the earlier ones. My dd's school wouldn't give me the scores but gave me some feedback based on them. I only knew about them because a teacher happened to mention them.

FlumePlume · 18/12/2016 11:35

Museum and Pop That stuff on CAT scores is handy to know, thanks! I wonder if I can ask her school if they've done any without looking like that parent? I'll think about it, as it would be good to have something to gauge where we should be aiming.Though our nearest grammar is super-selective, so I suspect it would be over 125.

On the music, I was just responding to eeyores up-thread, who said G4 in Y4 was the level to be on track for music scholarships, and she's nowhere near that.

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Pop2 · 17/12/2016 17:32

I heard 125 is grammar school material and 135 is on course for Oxbridge.

MuseumOfCurry · 17/12/2016 15:03

I have no idea on CAT scores, her school doesn't do them (or if they do, they haven't told us!).

INCAS/CAT/whatever are just another version of an IQ test. 130+ is exceptional, 140+ very superior AKA genius. These are the only standardised tests in the private sector, they're analogous to SATS I believe?

G2 is rather good for year 4.

Pop2 · 17/12/2016 14:47

Looking ahead, you could consider KCS for sixth form.

FlumePlume · 17/12/2016 09:54

Hadn't looked at that as its north of the river, but will add it to the list. Thanks!

The logical one is of course Wimbledon High, as its such an easy journey, but I do at least want to compare it to a few others.

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Azure · 16/12/2016 23:30

Latymer Upper sounds like a good fit.

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