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New recruit teacher is inadequate

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BoboChic · 15/09/2015 06:41

This, basically. DD in Y7 started secondary school 2 weeks ago. One - and only one - of her teachers is totally inadequate. He is a new recruit. Parents and pupils have noticed pretty quickly that he doesn't have the first inkling of the subject he is supposed to be teaching. One approach has already been made to the school to alert them. What are the best words to use to describe this situation? Inadequate? Lacking subject knowledge?

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pickledsiblings · 17/09/2015 11:08

I think the teacher has been employed to teach English, albeit in a rather old fashioned way, but in accordance with the school's current curriculum.

Presumably the teacher has also familiarised themselves with the syllabus and scheme of work in order to conduct themselves professionally in the classroom.

However, despite being aware of the problem before sending her DD to the school, the OP is shocked at just how old-fashioned this particular teacher's grasp is of the language that he has been employed to teach.

Or not???

BoboChic · 17/09/2015 11:08

Mum - the spelling of names of colours was an analogy.

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BlowOnMySackbutt · 17/09/2015 11:07

Nope, I was about to post what you have BitOutOfPractice

If it's the curriculum that's outdated, as has now been revealed, then the teacher may not necessarily be wrong in the context of that curriculum (if I'm getting the cake analogy right). In which case he's not an incompetent moron after all.Hmm

BoboChic · 17/09/2015 11:07

Why would the teacher have got the heave ho? My objective regarding the teacher at this stage is to get the issues with the teacher acknowledged, nothing else.

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MumTryingHerBest · 17/09/2015 11:02

BoboChic Short of sending the teacher back to university I'm not sure what support can be given

The teacher doesn't need to go to university to learn how to spell the names of colours correctly. Much of the the work at that level can be obtained from the internet.

Would it be possible for you to work with the teacher to support what they are doing with the children? You were able to spot the mistakes in the homework, perhaps if you went through the lesson content with the teacher ahead of time you could ensure the children are being taught correctly.

Whilst I appreciate it will need time for underlying issues to be corrected (new curriculum written, approved, rolled out and new person recruited), in the mean time your DC is loosing out on valuable quality teaching. Will they realistically be able to make up for this potentially large knowledge gap later on?

Given the situation, by all means continue to help the school. However, in the mean time I would suggest you move your DC to another school that can better meet their educational needs.

BitOutOfPractice · 17/09/2015 10:57

So if this bigger problem was the problem all along, why did you post about the teacher. Is this some kind of elaborate hoax I'm not in on? Does everyone else understand?

BitOutOfPractice · 17/09/2015 10:56

I have read the thread. And I am none the wiser.

And your analogy has only muddied the waters for me.

Has the teacher got the heave ho or not?

BoboChic · 17/09/2015 10:36

pickledsiblings - I'm not sure where you got the idea that I was unaware of the problem beforehand. I was aware there was a problem and had a meeting with the MD about it in May (at his request, after a comment I made in a presentation at school). However, unravelling the issue took more research than that. It is hard to get right into people's heads in a school until your DC is a pupil and you have a legitimate reason to request a meeting.

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SuburbanRhonda · 17/09/2015 10:31

I've done it before - it's hard work, largely because one has to get inside the heads of people very different from oneself and persuade them to change their underlying thinking - but interesting and rewarding too.

OP, I bow to your superior amazingness.

pickledsiblings · 17/09/2015 10:22

The analogy is not working for me.

pickledsiblings · 17/09/2015 10:20

Thanks Bobo and SheGot.

So how did you miss this in your research Bobo?

I'd have thought it (the curriculum) would be one of the first things you would have looked at given how passionate you are about your DD's language education.

I know you said it took an in depth conversation to get to the bottom of things and uncover the flaw but was it not evident in the school's choice of textbooks/previous pupils work etc? Or in exam results further up the school in that subject?

It is an interesting debate that has unfolded despite your rather clumsy plea for help and providing a little more specific information would be helpful to me and other posters on this thread. It might also help you get things straight in your mind before approaching the 'big guns' who could in theory be just as clueless as I/we are.

BoboChic · 17/09/2015 10:16

The teacher is the pastry chef who has been employed to bake Aunt Clotilde's cake. Trouble is, no self-respecting pastry chef (in a market where good pastry chefs are in short supply) with an eye in his professional development wants the job. So a supervisor from an industrial food-processing factory specialised in frozen chips has been employed instead.

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BoboChic · 17/09/2015 09:55

Bit - stop shouting and read the thread.

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BoboChic · 17/09/2015 09:55

Sure - the short answer is that it's wrong.

The best analogy I can think of is that it's like a cake made to a very old family recipe. People who are in the family are deeply attached to this homemade cake and want everyone to eat it and enjoy it.

But modern people want Laduree or Pierre Herme, not great-aunt Clotilde's quatre-quarts Smile

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BitOutOfPractice · 17/09/2015 09:54

SO WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE TEACHER?!

That's what your OP was about - why won't you tell us?

BoboChic · 17/09/2015 09:51

pickledsiblings - to explain that on MN is beyond me. It's going to take me several days to finalise on paper how it came about. It's to do with people and their cultural background and long-held beliefs that are now exposed by science/the market. It requires a certain amount of sensitivity to unravel without hurting egos Smile

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SheGotAllDaMoves · 17/09/2015 09:50

pickled I think the flaw is that it's the wrong one. It's a syllabus that is highly unpopular and puts off prospective teachers.

I suspect (though I don't know) that teachers in France are not as used to the variety of syllabi as in the UK where shopping around/chopping and changing exam boards is perfectly normal and teachers are happy and competent to cover many.

pickledsiblings · 17/09/2015 09:46

Bobo, what is the flaw in the curriculum?

CultureSucksDownWords · 17/09/2015 09:32

One of the reasons I left teaching was being put in the position where I had to manage a subject teacher of an exam class who had zero knowledge of the subject area. It was a flaw in recruitment as they shouldn't have been hired for the role, plus it was a failing of that specific teacher. They should not have stated they were prepared to teach the subject, or if they did say they were happy to teach it, they should have done a huge amount more prep. ????I think that the OP is right to get stuck in and try and change things at the school. If she removed her child then nothing would change. I'd much rather a parent who cared and wanted to get involved than one who wasn't interested in their child's education. Although, how you approach the school matters, as if you come across as aggressive and irrational you won't get anywhere.

BitOutOfPractice · 17/09/2015 09:18

I have a feeling that the teacher is history which is why the answers are so evasive

Nobody has said their school is perfect OP Hmm

BoboChic · 17/09/2015 09:18

to be told he would receive

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BoboChic · 17/09/2015 09:17

Short of sending the teacher back to university I'm not sure what support can be given - there is currently no HOD. Yes, there is peer to peer support but given that there is a flaw in the curriculum it would hardly be reassuring to be told (or to request) intensive coaching on the existing curriculum.

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guineapigpie · 17/09/2015 09:07

Yes, but did you get any reassurance that they would be supporting the teacher better in future? That can be done straight away...

BoboChic · 17/09/2015 09:07

Blow - how lucky you are to have a perfect school Envy where staff are always on top of all new developments.

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BoboChic · 17/09/2015 09:06

I'd love the problem to be solved tomorrow but, pragmatically, that's impossible. The solution will take more work and a bit longer than that. Life is often like that!

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