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New recruit teacher is inadequate

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BoboChic · 15/09/2015 06:41

This, basically. DD in Y7 started secondary school 2 weeks ago. One - and only one - of her teachers is totally inadequate. He is a new recruit. Parents and pupils have noticed pretty quickly that he doesn't have the first inkling of the subject he is supposed to be teaching. One approach has already been made to the school to alert them. What are the best words to use to describe this situation? Inadequate? Lacking subject knowledge?

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InimitableJeeves · 15/09/2015 13:07

Why one and a half weeks, Longtime? Most French schools went back on 1st September.

And if OP and the other parents were misunderstanding how marking works at secondary level, they wouldn't just be concerned about one teacher, would they?

I really don't understand why you object to a number of parents who have the same concerns raising them jointly with the school. Apart from anything else, it saves the head's time. You seem unwilling to acknowledge the fact that it could just be possible that all their concerns are fully justified and that their children's education is being damaged whilst this issue is left unaddressed. Or indeed that it might help the teacher to be picked up on where he is going wrong.

mumofthemonsters808 · 15/09/2015 13:07

I feel so sorry for teachers who have to handle this type of parent. It seems to becoming normal, to undermine and devalue someone's teaching ability based upon such flimsy evidence. Never in my life, have I heard of Year 7 parents getting together and making a complaint 2 weeks into term, after a maximum of two lessons. I imagine your child will be happy boasting to their classmates that Mummy sorted everything out, but there will come a time in your childs life when you are unable to change something, how will you and your child cope ?

ThenLaterWhenItGotDark · 15/09/2015 13:06

You sound utterly charming OP. Hmm
What was your aim exactly, in starting this thread? Because you are being very rude to anyone seemingly not in possession of a crystal ball, and therefore trying their hardest to work out what exactly it is that has got you so agitated.
If English is your own mother tongue, (which surprised me too, tbh) and this new teacher is an English teacher, then why is it even a problem for you? Don't your children speak English perfectly because of you?
I shan't apologise if that isn't the case, because you haven't made yourself at all clear.

BoboChic · 15/09/2015 13:05

Jeanne - I'm not biting anyone's head off. I have got exactly what I wanted from the thread: an example of how incredibly sensitive teachers' egos are, how they frequently jump to defend the indefensible and some useful words and phrases to think about using in order to try to put the point across without finger pointing.

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BoboChic · 15/09/2015 13:02

Kevin - you do realise that not all French private sous contrat schools are bound by the same contrat?

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JeanneDeMontbaston · 15/09/2015 13:01

I'm quite calm.

It really doesn't bother me. It's your issue. I just raised it because it seems to me it's relevant. If you feel happy with your grammar, then there is no problem.

But, biting the heads of people when you've asked for help is probably not going to make you look great.

BoboChic · 15/09/2015 13:01

Kevin - if your DC are learning a home language in a MFL context they do of course have to put up with being more knowledgeable than the teacher. But this is not the situation I am describing.

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KevinAndMe · 15/09/2015 13:00

Sorry OP I will bow out of the discussion as clearly you are not talking about what happens in France (seeing that you are also NOT constrained by French laws and customs)

InimitableJeeves · 15/09/2015 13:00

But, Bubbles, OP is presumably referring to teachers in the primary school. OP and the other parents are hardly likely to be resenting the secondary teacher for displacing them.

KevinAndMe · 15/09/2015 12:59

Btw, as a student, I have been in the situation where I was learning Greek (Ancient Greek instead of the more 'usual' Latin). There was very very few people who actually had been teaching it recently (well ONE person only who happened to leave before I did my Alevels).
So we had another teacher, one that HAD learnt Greek but had NOT taught it for YEARS. If he had been doing his CV, I doubt he would have put Ancient Greek on it lol but it also doesn't mean he wasn't suitable to teach.
Yes he was rusty. Yes sometimes he got it wrong but somehow we all manage to learn what was right and progress and get very good marks at A levels.

What I a trying to say is BE CAREFUL about that CV. It might or it might not reflect the ability of the teacher.

And one last word of wisdom.
My dcs are bilingal in French but have to do French in secondary. They both have been moaning about how said teachers can't speak French ie their accent is sompletely wrong.
The oldest one also has spotted errors written on the board (ie they were BASIC mistakes for some one who should be fluent). Do you think I should go and see the school and ask them to get rid of most of the teachers in the school because of that?
These mistakes don't stop the children from learning French. They don't stop them to progress and get very good results for the GCSE and A levels. They just aren't as perfect as a (good) native speaker would be. Not a big surprise there.

BoboChic · 15/09/2015 12:57

Jeanne - calm down. This is MN. We write as we speak on here.

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BoboChic · 15/09/2015 12:56

SheGot - yes - and it's rather worse than that. A British teacher of French and German could very conceivably have done A-level Latin and be a perfectly competent teacher of amo, amas, amat to 11 year olds. This is a lot more baroque!

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longtimelurker101 · 15/09/2015 12:54

I said year 7, not 7 years old, which would equate to being 11.

I just stated this because, it has been known in the past for parents to take what their children say as gospel and then run with it. For incompetantly marked work, there is a slight difference. But again it depends on what we are talking about here.

In the past I've had parents of year 7s leaping about all over the place complaining about things like marking, lessons etc, when the way it is done at secondary is just different.

I'm also very wary of parents using terms like "inadequate", when they are using information gathered over a little more than a week and a half.

Raise your concern, but only about your child, don't go in and say "We all think that". Don't ask for jargon to make your complaint sound better if you don't think it will stand up on its own.

A fair bit of this smacks of bullying and its unfair.

JeanneDeMontbaston · 15/09/2015 12:52

I'm sorry - I got confused by the references to French and assumed it wasn't.

But ... it's not 'one stray extra word'. Your grammar isn't great. That's fine, no one cares, certainly not me. But are you sure you know when he's getting it wrong?

BoboChic · 15/09/2015 12:52

Kevin - as I have said previously - don't let your imagination run wild. You are not describing the situation we are in.

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BoboChic · 15/09/2015 12:51

Jeanne - of course English is my first language and one stray extra word in a post written on MN on my phone on the bus or in a cafe is hardly indicative of anything.

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KevinAndMe · 15/09/2015 12:49

OP I will give my pov as a french citizen.

Some teachers are crap. I've had some when I was at school. However, I can not imagine anyone who would actually go and complain to the school about it with the hope that said teacher will be replaced.

Unless your dc is a fully private school, the teachers will NOT be appointed by the school. The HT will have very little to say about the candidates as such (ie if the 'academie' only has that applicant, that's what you will get esp if it's for a 'remplacement' of an existing teacher). That teacher might not have the right 'training' from his CV (The effort you had to put in to find it would make me feel like I had been stalked though) but it might also not reflect his knoweledge (ie he might have preferred NOT to teach that subject and therefore left it out from said CV) so I would be careful about that.

Bubblesinthesummer · 15/09/2015 12:49

The teachers who you and we all loved and supported for the past 8 years and got you to a very high standard were in fact wrong and this new person, whose ideas are completely different to any you have seen before, is right?

Jeeves ^ This is from the OP own posts.

BoboChic · 15/09/2015 12:48

herethereandeverywhere - thank you for your suggestions. They are great but a bit too aggressive for the person I am dealing with in the first instance. I need jargon and euphemisms at this stage to soften it up and not hurt egos.

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InimitableJeeves · 15/09/2015 12:46

Bubbles, you do realise that the children concerned have moved to a new school? Why would they necessarily all even know the previous teacher?

SheGotAllDaMoves · 15/09/2015 12:46

It's quite easy to work out though bubbles.

If a teacher says on linked in that his specialism is say French and German and he's employed to teach Latin...particularly in a situation where there are no Latin teachers...

Bubblesinthesummer · 15/09/2015 12:42

So all this knowledge, criticism of work, parents getting together has happened in 2 weeks?

Strikes me as a group of parents you all liked the previous teacher so much that it didn't matter what the new one did, they wouldn't be 'good enough'.

I also don't know how you know what he was appointed teach by finding his CV on linked in, unless you have access to his actual contract which I doubt very much

JeanneDeMontbaston · 15/09/2015 12:41

Look, I get that this isn't your first language and I'm usually the last person to pick holes in people's grammar ... but it is relevant here.

Am I understanding rightly that you have issues with the way this bloke is teaching English grammar, and its not his or your first language?

You say DC were totally confused as they are all fully master this particular aspect of grammar.

If that is a fair sample of your own English grammar, are you sure you are able to analyse his? There are mistakes here that are glaring to a native speaker.

BoboChic · 15/09/2015 12:41

Thank you, inimitable. It's exactly that: parents double/triple check their impressions as no-one wants to make an unfounded complaint or raise a false issue.

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InimitableJeeves · 15/09/2015 12:40

Longtimelurker, why do you claim that this concern is based mostly on hearsay evidence from a 7 year old?
(a) This child is 11;
(b) It is based also on evidence from other parents;
(c) OP has cited very specifically the fact that it is also based on evidence from several pieces of incompetently marked homework.

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