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What do you think would be the best choices? A Levels

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needmorespace · 30/08/2015 11:57

My dtr did extremely well in her GCSEs (four A* / four A / two B grades).
Unfortunately one of her B grades was in a subject she wanted to study at A level and now cannot do that (A grade was required). As it was Chemistry, this means that applying for medicine is now out of the question - at this stage at least.

We have therefore spent a lot of time this week trying to get our heads around how we juggle her A level choices.

She was originally going to take:
Maths, Chemistry, Biology and RS (but got Bs in Maths/Chemistry despite being predicted A*s). The maths has been regraded to an A grade so this is now not a problem.

When the results originally came through, she changed her options to:
Spanish, Biology, Physics and RE.

Now that her maths has been regraded we don't know whether to change the Physics to Maths or perhaps the Spanish to Maths - or to leave things as they are.

Does anyone have any advice? Even though medicine is out of the question she would still like to have a career in a health related field - perhaps nursing or midwifery.

Any ideas on what way to go forward.

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Molio · 01/09/2015 13:47

They didn't do AS either - post wasn't clear.

Molio · 01/09/2015 13:43

Two of my DC have recently completed an A2 physics without doing maths. It's less work if you do maths as well, but that doesn't make it especially hard for those who don't.

catslife · 01/09/2015 12:16

I have a Chemistry degree but also studied Physics and Maths in the first year at uni. Have also taught A level Chemistry so if you want to pm me please do so.
Many sixth forms do accept students with Bs at GCSE. The trouble about basing choices just on exam results is that grade boundaries aren't the same for all 3 subjects so Physics is usually lowest grade boundary then Chemistry and then Biology. What marks did she obtain in the different modules, if only the final (unit 3) is the lowest mark (or even if unit 1 is lowest) and she still would like to try A level Chemistry.
For unit 1 there are a lot of "application of Science to real life questions where very bright students sometimes lose marks simply because they don't believe the easiest answer could be right!
Much of the unit 3 content will be done again (in more detail though) at AS level.
Hope this helps

EllenJanethickerknickers · 01/09/2015 00:42

I did a Physics degree and I'd agree with catslife that the maths in physics lags behind that needed in the equivalent maths qualification. You don't need A2 level maths to do A2 level physics, AS level is enough (or even a good maths GCSE at a push if she's good at algebra) You couldn't consider a degree in physics without A2 level maths, but that's probably not the direction your DD's heading anyway.

I'd recommend thinking about AS level maths if she wants to do physics, obviously biology and either RE or Spanish. For a vocational career in health or social services, RE is a good choice, IMO.

lougle · 31/08/2015 09:51

Nursing has lots of career paths now and you can branch into specialist nursing with independent prescribing, etc. It's far removed from the traditional view of nursing.

Mysillydog · 31/08/2015 09:22

Physics and biology lead well into radiography and optometry.

WhoTheFuckIsSimon · 31/08/2015 09:09

Does she really want to go into nursing or midwifery if she can't do medicine? I'm only asking as it's such a difference and she may well get frustrated. Has she looked thoroughly at all other vaguely medical related careers? Pharmacy, biochemistry, radiography?

hellsbells99 · 31/08/2015 08:59

I agree with 321teachus and then perhaps getting a tutor for chemistry. If she was predicted an A* she obviously has the ability and something went wrong in the exams. And with her illness she has obviously had a lot of difficulties which she has done well to overcome. Will school not reconsider because of her circumstances?
Also, she could still go down the medicine route without chemistry by applying for a foundation year medicine course if she gets good A levels.
Regarding maths - is her algebra good? If so, then AS maths would be a good choice. My DD 'only' got an A at Gcse maths but has just finished her A levels and got an A in maths. It has been her favourite subject but she has worked very hard.

321TeachUs · 30/08/2015 23:40

I would be looking for a college that would allow her to take chemistry and her original choices.

senua · 30/08/2015 23:31

She has Biology and RE at A*. She wants to do a medical type thing. What about heading towards Psychology?
AS Levels = Biology, Maths, RE plus one other?

BlueBelle123 · 30/08/2015 18:56

Have you discussed the science options with her teachers, if she was predicted an A* in chemistry and given her circumstances at the time would they not still let her take it at A level, also how does she feel about doing A level chemistry, physics and maths?

From what you said about how she feels about maths does she even want to do it at A level. As an aside my DH has a physics degree and he thought the AQA GCSE syllabus (DD has just sat it) is very undemanding and the step up to A level is huge, friend of ours DD A* maths and physics went on to get an E at AS in Physics - what I'm trying to say make sure she is doing what she enjoys and don't be too swayed by her actual results.

throckenholt · 30/08/2015 18:47

I have a feeling Keele University encourage all students to do a language alongside their other subject - maybe worth checking if they do a medical subject area as well.

Millymollymama · 30/08/2015 17:49

MFL A levels are still the standard entry requirement for MFL degrees and most people do fine at university with A level preparation. However the majority come from independent schools and they often offer an extended curriculum. Many come from comprehensive schools too and they also achieve highly. If she likes Spanish, it is well taught and she will be in a group of like minded students, then why not take it? Often an MFL gets a student onto a joint honours degree course because many universities like students who opt for x subject and an MFL or even do a year abroad. The MFL does keep options open - just different ones.

catslife · 30/08/2015 15:00

Have posted this on another thread but for A level Physics just taking Maths to AS level should be sufficient if she doesn't intend to study Physics or Engineering at uni.
The 2 medical related degrees which come to mind for Biology and Physics would be radiography and Ophthalmology (to become an optician) but there could also be other options.
Hope this helps with her decision.

howabout · 30/08/2015 13:54

If she did well in Physics then I strongly suspect she has the capability to do Maths. I may be in a minority but I found it easier as it became more theoretical. Definitely worth exploring what bits of Maths she does and doesn't like. Also worth exploring what about medicine it is that appeals to start looking at alternatives. Agree Physics without Maths would be very challenging and not very useful.

throckenholt · 30/08/2015 13:48

actually reading your last post - if she isn't confident in maths then I would step away now - there is a big step up from GCSE to A level and I know quite a few who have struggled to bridge the gap.

Biology and physics might be a good lead in to something like physiotherapy eg here

If she is keen on the medical field I would look around for what other options there are apart from medicine and see what they require for A level and then see where that leads her.

PrincessHairyMclary · 30/08/2015 13:47

I'm sure you have already done so but look at the required subjects for the University/course she wants to take.

If it is an option could she go to Spain on a gap year or even the summer break as she would probably gain more from living within the culture and using the language daily than doing an A level in it. I'm sure there is a modern version of a penfriend where perhaps she could use skype to talk to a young Spanish student perhaps who would like to practice their English. If she doesn't intend to do a course where it is a prerequisite then this might be a good option and she can alway study at an FE college in the future.

throckenholt · 30/08/2015 13:43

Personally I would question the value of RE, teamed with sciences.

I would go for maths, physics, biology and spanish.

Any chance of redoing the chemistry and maybe picking up an AS along the way ? If she was predicted A* then she should be able to do better than a B - and it does complement both physics and biology (particularly biology where biochemistry is a big part of it now).

needmorespace · 30/08/2015 13:42

TeenandTween I think it was lack of work in the build up. She had improved quite a lot in the last couple of years and I think she got complacent. I could be wrong. She had also adopted a mindset many years ago that she was not very good at maths and that she couldn't do it and it kind of became a self fulfilling prophecy. She then realised that it was actually ok in the last year or so. That is what frightens me about Maths A level. We're going to go to lunch and thrash it over again. Maybe a complete move away from STEM subjects is what is needed.
Also, throughout her exam season and for the six months prior she had been suffering from anxiety and panic attacks. Some days she couldn't actually even move. She was taking medication to alleviate it throughout exams and is currently have CBT with a Clinical Psychologist. I have no doubt that some of this impacted on her exams.
In the face of it - she did amazingly.

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BoboChic · 30/08/2015 13:32

No. I do lots of things to do with language teaching, however, and about a year ago wrote and presented a analysis of skills developed by five European school leaving diplomas for Maths and MFL.

IguanaTail · 30/08/2015 13:29

Are you an A Level MFL teacher, Bobo?

BoboChic · 30/08/2015 13:27

Very little thinking is required in A-level MFL; cultural insight is very superficial; oral fluency requirement is low.

I am a huge fan of MFLs - but not of the A-level approach.

TeenAndTween · 30/08/2015 13:18

Having second thoughts here.

Why did she only just scrape an A for her maths? If she did Edexcel that means only around 125/200 scored, or 75 marks missed. Was it carelessness, lack or work, or lack of understanding? How does she plan to rectify that for A level?

( Bobo can you expand a bit on your view of A level MFL for me?)

addictedtosugar · 30/08/2015 13:06

I don't know how it works these days, but don't attempt physics without some maths. So I'd say bio, phys maths, and RE or Spanish would be good.

Has she looked at medicinal bio, pharmacy ( might need chem) and medical physics as posibilities for uni?

BoboChic · 30/08/2015 13:01

I agree with PP: don't even think of doing Physics without Maths!

I don't rate A-level MFLs one little bit - they really don't constitute any real form of education - so unless your DD is at an exceptional school that doesn't restrict its vision of MFL teaching to the A-level syllabus, it's both a waste of time and hard work with no real learning = worst of all worlds.

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