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Dd in tears over gcse options.

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VivaLeBeaver · 05/05/2015 15:40

Aggh.

She's been told she can't do art and graphic design as they're in the same option block. Which is a bit shit when you want to be a graphic designer for a career and have been told you're amazingly talented at both subjects.

She's got to pick an option from a different block, so drama, music, computer sciences, history or geography. None of which she wants to do.

When the bloody forms came out the subjects weren't in blocks. I can't understand why they don't do options forms with the subjects in blocks and tell the kids months ago they need to pick one from each block.

Dd asked if she could carry her second language on rather that do something from block D but was told that's not possible as all the languages are in one block as well. Which for a language specialist academy seems stupid. Surely they should put similar subject areas in different blocks?

Anyway, what do you think my chances of arguing it with the school are. Apparantly head of yr 10 told dd he'd try and sort something but he doubted he'd be able to do it. I want to tell the school that unless they're taught at the same time on the same day I want her to be able to do both. Is that unreasonable?

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KittiesInsane · 07/05/2015 10:12

Viva, DS did both art and graphics. He much preferred the graphics, but did better in art Confused despite protesting that they kept wanting him to write about his feelings instead of just getting on with the drawing. In fact, art GCSE put him right off painting and drawing for quite some time afterwards, so it's not for everyone. Sounds like your DD has a real talent in the area.

DS did graphic design at A-level, and got both architecture and product design offers off the back of it, though he did have a good portfolio of 'external' artwork. (Then he decided he was going for a different course entirely, but hey ho.)

Does your DD's school actually offer both at A-level? If so, how well do they do in them, how many kids take each, and what are their entry requirements? Same goes for other 6th forms she might be considering -- you can usually get at the prospectus online.

addictedtosugar · 07/05/2015 09:17

I was heavily advised, many years ago, against doing physics A'level without Maths A'level. I ended up doing an extra a'level vs most of my pear group (maths and further maths combo being the exception), and the medics doing Bio, Phy, Chem A'levels did struggle with the maths component - but maybe thats because they were less mathmatically minded anyway??? Just another thing to think about regarding A'level choices - which are still a couple of years away.

Bath architure is one of the best in the country - look at some other places for other grade requirments before it is totally ruled out.

mummytime · 07/05/2015 08:52

A lot can change over the GCSE years. My DD started worried she would fail Maths, she is now in line for an A*, and definitely doing A'level.

VivaLeBeaver · 07/05/2015 08:47

The school have been useless. Teachers are all very nice and well meaning but ime most of them are talking rubbish.

I still got the "she needs an Ebacc or she won't get into uni" rubbish from a fair proportion.

I kind of like the HOYs philosophy of "oh just do what makes you happy, great motto for life". But then if it means dd has made a load of shit choices with bad consequences the fact that she was happy for two years at age 15 and 16 kind of isn't good enough.

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Bilberry · 07/05/2015 08:24

Schools can be pretty rubbish about the advice they offer. A friends dc wanted to do three sciences so she could be a vet. The school told her she didn't need physics and two would be ok. It was only when she showed them a letter from the head of admissions at the Vet school that the school relented. As others have said, it is a good idea to take advice from universities (more than one) about the courses of interest and work back to GCSE options. But also try and keep options open a bit as interests may still change.

VivaLeBeaver · 07/05/2015 08:11

Fingers crossed he gets to do both Comma.

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HmmAnOxfordComma · 07/05/2015 07:56

Also, his teacher already asked him to do art, graphics and photography A level, to which he replied that his third subject needs to be an essay one so he can develop more empathy for illustrating/writing!

HmmAnOxfordComma · 07/05/2015 07:54

We're still waiting to hear, Viva, whether ds can do both art and graphics (wants to be an illustrator). I have reservations about him doing both, but its his passion, he is talented, and the way his timetable work, he will have several free periods a week, so the art teacher will have him in the art department, keeping up.

VivaLeBeaver · 07/05/2015 07:44

Thanks for the heads up about that thread Ragged, makes interesting reading. Had a quick discussion about architect job prospects with dd before she left, that and the harder, longer course and I think that's made her mind up that she wants to do graphics degree rather than architecture.

So that's progress.

She now wants to do graphics rather than art. So I need to ring the school up, she won't discuss it with HOY. Hmm

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LimeFizz · 07/05/2015 06:26

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ragged · 07/05/2015 06:05

There's a moan on another thread about too many architecture graduates can't find jobs; I think there are more diverse sectors to choose from with graphics design under her belt.

She's a lucky girl, really, she has some immense talents already :).

VivaLeBeaver · 07/05/2015 00:06

Just looked at the Bath website, need a*aa. I don't think she's that bright.

Which makes me think she'll end up doing graphic design rather than architecture. Architecture seems so competitive.

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VivaLeBeaver · 07/05/2015 00:02

Thanks MillyMolly.

I just keep getting such conflicting info.

There's a sixth former at dds school who apparantly is doing English, RS, and biology for a levels and has got an unconditional offer for architecture on the back of a portfolio he's put together......not sure which uni.

Ive just been looking at various uni websites and the random four I looked at all said x number of UCAS points and then decisions made on portfolio. Only one uni specified that one a level had to be from an art and design subject.

None of them said anything about maths or physics but I have heard that before. There's no way dd would do maths at a level. She could probably do physics but I'm not sure she'd get a brilliant grade.

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Millymollymama · 06/05/2015 23:22

The best architecture courses like maths, physics and art A level and possibly a humanity instead of art if skill in Art can be demonstrated elsewhere. 3D graphic design is also good. Not every course requires a portfolio. Art foundation courses are really tasters of a broad spectrum of Art to allow the student to decide if they wish to pursue fine art, photography, ceramics degrees etc. I would be inclined to research all possible degrees and work back to A levels required and GCSEs. I do think she is being done a great disservice by not being allowed to take graphic design and art. I would look at course requirements - University of Bath School of Architecture is a great place to start - and argue your case with the school based on fact.

VivaLeBeaver · 06/05/2015 22:29

I think she is better at graphic design than art so maybe she should do that, and she enjoys it more.

Her current graphic design teacher says she's producing work of a commercially viable standard already. Stuff that she would expect final year degree students to be producing and pitching to businesses.

Her art teacher said last year that her work was already of a GCSE grade B standard.

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VivaLeBeaver · 06/05/2015 22:27

One thing I've told her is that she can go and do the art foundation course for a year after a levels if she wants. So this will give her a year to get a portfolio up to scratch for either architecture or graphic design gcse.

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ragged · 06/05/2015 21:54

Hugs & biscuits time, I think.
Either one will be fine, I'm sure. But doesn't solve her problem of which to choose from "drama, music, computer sciences, history or geography. " , does it?

Has she considered higher apprenticeships post A-level, instead of Uni? Some of them are very much graphic design.

Human geography gives excellent scope for interior or landscape design...

VivaLeBeaver · 06/05/2015 21:37

ok, she's still in tears. Aaggh.

She's now thinking about dropping art and doing graphics instead. Which frustrates me as Id have thought that Art is the broader subject and more useful for either a graphics or architecture degree.

She reckons she enjoys graphics more and is better at it than art. She reckons she's not very good at drawing or painting. I must admit I look at some of her art stuff and it doesn't look good to me. However her art teacher has always raved about her and says she's good.....

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Georgethesecond · 06/05/2015 20:08

My son is just finishing bastard GCSE art. For each of his projects he has taken his own photos. I know it isn't the same, but there will at least be some element of photography. And she could teach herself photography skills via the internet over the summer if she is a self starter.

VivaLeBeaver · 06/05/2015 19:17

And yes she does sometimes talk about architecture instead of graphic design so physics would be good for that.

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VivaLeBeaver · 06/05/2015 19:16

Thanks everyone. Looks like I will have to convince her to drop photography for a level then. And tell her she really ought to do art and graphics at a level and one other subject. I talked and talked to her about the workload for three project heavy GCSEs and she just keeps saying she can do it and I went with her to the HOY who said she should choose what makes her happy. Which of course was a big green light to her to stick all three down and I gave up arguing.

Haven't got to speak to anyone at school yet but will ring tomorrow and tell them to stick her down for geography. Grin

It's a shame she can't do art and graphics instead of art and photography, but timetable won't allow it. I keep telling her she could do photography within art as well as just for general enjoyment but she's not having it.

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KittiesInsane · 06/05/2015 13:01

If there's any chance she'll want to do architecture rather than graphic design later, the physics would be a really good one to keep for A-level.

Millymollymama · 06/05/2015 12:50

Photography, Graphics and and Art at A level will be total Murder!!! She may well rant, but she will really struggle to do all of this. My DD did Art and Photography at A level and went straight onto a degree course at UAL so it did side step the foundation year because she had two art A levels under her belt, but no-one does three! I cannot begin to tell you how much work is involved in doing two Art A levels, let alone three. My DD had to have her Photography portfolio ready for March, not June, and Art was not much later. These subjects are not exams in June. Your DD will also have to do a massive portfolio for university application and, guess what, no university wants the same thing so you have to keep tweaking it. Often they will want photos of it sent in - in January! Before she makes very silly choices, you and she need to know exactly what this means. Most schools would never allow this combination of A levels. Your DD needs to calm down and it would really be a good idea to talk through with her what is actually needed, instead of her imagining what is needed. Nearly every university that offers Graphic Design will tell you what the student should have in their portfolio and what skills they are looking for. Many students will produce work above and beyond the A level syllabus, so time for this needs to be factored in too.

Geography tends to be less essay based than History, so I would choose Geography to keep her GCSEs broad. Also, a good Graphic Design course will probably ask for high grade A levels and some of them may want to see a written subject in there too. No degree is just about practical work. A levels onwards are about writing up research, inspiration and about your work too.

DeeWe · 06/05/2015 10:32

I had similar.
Dd1 was sure she wanted to do geography and music.
The about a month before they had to hand options in she was approached by a history teacher who told her he thought (surprise) she should do history. He went through the syllabus with her, and she came back saying she was't sure.
She wasn't sure even up to the last day and put after a lot of tears and decisions history and music, wth geography and business as back ups.

Then they came back organised them in blocks and found that she couldn't do history and music. That irritated me somewhat as it would have been an easy decision before if they'd given us the blocks.

However now she had decided to do history she didn't want to change, so she's dropped the music* and is doing history and business.

As I said to her, it won't matter in the long run, and she can always do music GCSE alongside A-levels if she wants. But the heartache we had over the original decision would have been so much easier if we'd known this from the beginning.

*at the same time they announced that those who wanted to do Btech music had been put into the GCSE group. Now the issue there is a lot of the btech music are "wanna-be pop stars" so the music department to soften that blow said they would do a more popular music option than the usual classics (which dd1 likes), so she wasn't too upset at leaving music behind in that case.

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