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Piper's Corner School, High Wycombe

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Zodlebud · 04/05/2015 13:20

We visited Piper's Corner recently and loved it. It had so much to offer, particularly in terms of enrichment, and we could really see our girls there. My only slight niggle is that it didn't seem as academic as others we have seen and was wondering if anyone could reassure me. The school is within two miles of a grammar school and Wycombe Abbey so acknowledge many of the cleverest girls from the area may be going to these other schools. I just want to make sure my girls achieve their potential, be that a million A-levels at Grade A* and on to Oxbridge or a solid set of GCSEs before starting an apprenticeship. I got the impressed that the pastoral side is superb and they would really work with the girls. Their list of leavers though veers towards the more arty subjects with few Russell Group universities. I know a significant proportion of girls leave to go to co-ed schools for sixth form (which is fine by me and something we would consider), but I was just wondering if the school cuts the mustard for the high fliers?

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ChilledOutMum · 27/03/2017 11:19

Any school can claim brilliance when skimming off the most intelligent from the crop. Pipers Corner is becoming more selective but happily not in the same way as Wycombe Abbey, etc. The school is fabulous and the girls are happy and enthused. The teachers care about the individuals in their care and the Headmistress makes it her business to "know" all the girls. Facilities are superb. The new theatre is outstanding. Sport is getting stronger with great influence from new teachers. I want a happy child who enjoys going to school and is enriched across a variety of activities. I want a child who can achieve all she possibly can, academic/sport/other and Pipers offers my child this and a whole lot more! The 2016 Open Day was extremely well attended by prospective parents, many of whom registered their daughters on the day. Thrilled to have chosen Pipers Corner. Pipers all the way!

IguanaTail · 21/11/2015 14:42

Whether they should or shouldn't is a very good question.
I think one of the problems is that people do, and sometimes blindly.

UnpaidMummyTaxi · 21/11/2015 14:35

I'm on the fence with both ISI and Ofsted reports.

I have read previous Ofsted reports for both Godstowe and Pipers (albeit from 2010 and 2008 respectively).

Ofsted only covered:

  • Godstowe's boarding facilities overall "satisfactory"
  • Pipers which was overall "good"

My question is this, prior to viewing a school, how would/could a parent use these reports (Ofsted and/or ISI) to assess which school is best for their DD?

Or should parents rely on these reports at all?

IguanaTail · 20/11/2015 21:58

Milly is right about the ISI reports. They are done by senior leaders from other independent schools.

Pipers used to always have a happy but not academic ethos. If they have upped their teaching and learning so that they maximise the potential of their girls then they should be great!

Millymollymama · 20/11/2015 14:24

I have absolutely nothing against Pipers Corner School, by the way, but the contents in the report do show weaknesses, as I outlined, and unfortunately most parents at the school will have little idea that this report is not equivalent to Ofsted. Therefore the judgements are misleading if you do not understand the context. Is it a fantastic achievement ? Possibly. However with the comments on the very, very late introduction of rigorous progress checking, I would disagree. It shows it is easy to get an excellent report if the hurdles are set pretty low. My remark about all schools ISI reports on being excellent was a tongue in cheek comment, by the way. Do ISi say how much notice the school gets prior to inspection? How many weeks is it these days?

When our school (girls boarding) was inspected the lead inspector was a former Head of a Music specialist independent school. One of the other inspectors was a former head of a very low achieving day school that had closed. The qualities and qualifications of the inspectors are dubious too. It makes it very easy to impress them! I am sure Pipers will be more than happy with ISI and their report. It is very muddling to read when all years are jumbled into the one report.

UnpaidMummyTaxi · 20/11/2015 11:37

I too was sceptical about the report.
However, I would have to disagree with you @Millymollymama.
I have read previous ISI school reports and not all were "Excellent".

Nor were they written (by all accounts) by the Head.

Take for instance the 2010 report for High March School in Beaconsfield which stated "The quality of the governance, which has very many good features, is satisfactory overall" and continued along this line.

ISI is not OFSTED, nor does it claim to be.

The definition of both, according to the Independent Education Consultants , is as follows:

"Ofsted is the Office for Standards in Education, Children’s Services and Skills. It reports directly to Parliament and is both independent and impartial. By law it must inspect schools with the aim of providing information to parents, to promote improvement and to hold schools to account.

Schools judged to be ‘satisfactory’ are inspected every three years. Those judged to be ‘good’ or ‘outstanding’ are inspected once in any five year period. The inspection lasts between one and two days and schools will receive only one or two days’ notice prior to the inspection.

The Independent Schools Inspectorate or ISI is a body approved for the purpose of inspection under the Education Act 2002. Its role is to report to the Department for Education on the extent to which schools meet statutory requirements.

ISI inspection is for the benefit of the pupils in the schools and seeks to improve the quality and effectiveness of their education and of the care for their welfare. Inspection also provides objective and reliable reports on the quality of schools and, by placing reports in the public domain. In this way, it helps schools, their staff and governors or proprietors to recognise and build on their strengths and to identify and remedy any weaknesses."

I think this is a fantastic achievement for Pipers, the students grades and atmosphere reflect this.

Read into it as you see fit.

Millymollymama · 20/11/2015 09:16

Having read the ISI report, which is, of course, gushing, I do note that the inspectors state that tracking of academic progress is in its infancy. I can assure anyone reading this, that if this was found in a state school, it would probably be ranked Inadequate! Tracking progress is vital and has been for years. How else are lessons planned and children given work that is appropriate? Some teachers, when marking, are not giving feedback to children on how they can improve. Just shows how independent schools can get "excellent" with nowhere near the rigour of good state schools! It also shows that ISi inspectors do not get any detailed progress monitoring from the school before they inspect. As SATs are not taken there is no meaningful comparison with other schools. I am sure children do well there but if tracking progress is in its infancy, then I am not sure whether parents truly know if their child is doing well, because the school does not actually know!

Millymollymama · 20/11/2015 08:53

Yup - all ISI reports are excellent! They are NOT Ofsted but cheerleaders for Independent schools! Don't believe all you read in it. At our school, large chunks of the report appeared to be written by the Head and bore no relation to reality!

UnpaidMummyTaxi · 19/11/2015 21:18

Hi all

We've just received a letter from Pipers today regarding the Independent Schools Inspectorate - Inspection Report.

The inspection took place in Oct 2015.

Pipers were graded an "Excellent" in all areas.

You can read the full report from the ISI site here

Most importantly, DD continues to thrive at Pipers and is learning at a phenomenal rate.

Zodlebud · 10/09/2015 16:48

I am so excited to hear such positive things about the school. I have come across some negativity amongst peer groups as to why we would consider it when Habs Girls and St Albans are viable options. It's simple, the girls at Pipers were happy and motivated, which is invariably leading to some great results. I'd rather my child was happy and got an A than miserable and get an A (all highly presumptive but you know what I mean!!)

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UnpaidMummyTaxi · 10/09/2015 16:25

Both DH & I wanted our DD to go to an academically enriched school (me = Ex-teacher & DH = mathematician)

After absorbing the information on the Piper's website, we had several visits with and without DD. Spoke with Mrs Ness-Gifford and students from year 4 & year 6. Attended their open days & Christmas fair. Immersed ourselves as much as we could prior to making the decision to move our DD.

We took DD out of Godstowe and moved her to Pipers (I must say that we were not the only family to do so..)

DD started at Pipers on Tuesday & absolutely loves it!

Pipers is about a 30 - 45 min drive compared to the 15 min drive to Godstowe but to see my daughter extremely happy to wake up early (6:30am) with a spring because as she puts it "I'm a Pipers Girl" fills me with joy!

Our daughter was at Godstowe for 3+ years and did well academically, was very popular but over the years we felt that Godstowe had lacked:

  • in overall academia
  • class sizes (extremely large)
  • in communication between students, teachers & parents

We asked the Head at Godstowe if he could provide us with a general over view of their girls academic grades / achievements only to be told
"We are not at liberty to disclose this information."

Now, I wasn't asking for info on a specific child, simply an approximate figure for all their students. Well, that was the tipping point for us!

The mere fact that Pipers disclose the academic achievements of their girls on their website - year on year - was so very refreshing & impressive!

Piper's girls are happy & proud to be there, contribute & learn. It is a great choice for our DD and I'm sure it will be for yours too @Zodlebud

Zodlebud · 16/08/2015 19:16

Well this is extremely reassuring. Rather brilliant considering the selection process does not skim off the top academic girls only.

www.piperscorner.co.uk/media/news/article/1578/Celebration-of-success

Pipers Corner is now number one choice for us. Feeling radical and shunning the "go to" academic schools in our area and following our gut reaction.

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AMcoffeeLover · 15/06/2015 14:58

Pipers is a truly amazing place! I went there, your girls will love it!

Zodlebud · 13/06/2015 00:49

Thanks Toofewshoes. The investment was extremely evident as we walked around and you can see the Girls are rightly very proud of their school. I think perhaps the school suffers a bit from past reputation as opposed to what is actually going on here and now. The more we think about it, the more we love the school and I do get a very strong sense that each girl is pushed to achieve the best grades for their ability. To me that's far more important than everybody in the class getting an A. I think as places at Berkhamsted at 11+ are getting to be few and far between, that Pipers may well become a true player in the independent sector in that area. Needless to say the Girls have been registered at Pipers - couldn't't help ourselves!!!!!

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Toofewshoes · 12/06/2015 19:58

P.S I have also heard that they are being more selective and we know from friends that the days of girls drifting into the senior school from the prep dept are long gone. They are looking to up their grades and rightly or wrongly will make no exceptions.

Toofewshoes · 12/06/2015 19:56

I have personal experience of the prep dept at Pipers. It has really suited our daughter who has blossomed since being there. They have given her extra maths lessons to get her up to speed as she was a bit behind when she joined and they aim on really making all the girls enjoy and thrive in core subjects like maths. The smaller classes do allow quieter girls to shine, and the new head of prep who joins in January comes from Chesham Prep and is expected to raise not only the academic profile but also the sports to another level. Our daughter will stay for senior school as long as she continues to grow (but possible head off somewhere else for 6th form to spread her wings pre-university). Lots of investment, a new theatre being built and additional astro pitches, mean that the facilities really cannot be rivalled. Exciting times ahead at Pipers.

Zodlebud · 10/05/2015 00:00

That is very exciting news about DCHS as we would be "in" if the same happened in a few years time (subject to her passing the 11+ of course). Looks like we would also have a good chance at Aylesbury High even if we don't move.

I think there are always people who send their children to private school because they are too "delicate" for state schools (I.e. they do better in the smaller class sizes). There are some at my daughter's prep school and they are turning into happy, confident little people because they are given that little bit extra attention and nurturing. Pipers most definitely did not come across as full of wallflowers though, there's a lovely mix of personalities and abilities. My eldest is very competitive and extremely confident, but hates coming second and loses the plot a but if she's not queen bee. I think she puts too much pressure on herself though and whilst there's a few years to go before she moves, and I hope she'll grow out of it, a hot house type environment might not be the best for her.

We still have St Albans and both grammar schools to see so who knows? Having Pipers as an option though is making me feel quite relieved about the whole thing.

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Millymollymama · 09/05/2015 19:57

Some go to Pipers because they are too delicate for the grammar schools!

MaraThonbar · 07/05/2015 23:27

Equally, remember that an extra class this year means extra sibling places in future years.

I'm watching this thread with interest. I went to Wycombe High in the late 90s-early 00s. Pipers Corner very much had a reputation then as a destination for wealthy girls who were too dim to get into a grammar and too delicate for the secondary moderns. I'm pleased to hear that it has clearly moved on since then.

Maladicta · 07/05/2015 23:03

OP DCHS is adding an extra class this year so went out of catchment for September's intake by over 5 miles, first time for a few years so don't completely discount it!

Zodlebud · 05/05/2015 19:01

There are a few girls from my town who go to Aylesbury High and are very happy (I only know through friends of friends though). If we move further north then we would be in the catchment area, or at least closer to the boundary, but we would not have Habs or Royal Masonic as possibilities as the commute would be too much. We have discounted Queenswood as it really is too far away and not in the direction we were thinking of moving. We are not considering moving FOR a school, just want to make sure we don't cut ourselves off from a school we love in doing so. I think it's definitely worth going to have a look at Aylesbury in the next round of open days.

We did very much love Pipers Corner in that it seemed such a happy school and the girls genuinely loved being there. I am a great believer that happiness leads to confidence and in turn, success. Your comments have all backed up what we are feeling and it's a definite contender. I am happy with moving for sixth form if we feel it appropriate, maybe move to co-ed and / or boarding (we can't afford boarding for all seven years). I feel like we have some great options available to us. Just a shame we are complicating things by thinking about getting a bigger house......

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LooksLikeImStuckHere · 05/05/2015 15:45

Luckily, I don't think the OP has to choose between Wycombe or Aylesbury High.

I worked in a school where we had a mix of girls going to both. Those who went to Aylesbury were different to those who went to Wycombe. I think you do have to be tough to go to Wycombe. It's just not a nurturing kind of school, which the OP wanted.

Either way, I agree with you. Aylesbury is a fantastic school. Smile

Millymollymama · 05/05/2015 14:39

Would you travel to Queenswood at Potters Bar? This is better than Pipers in my view. The Pipers Head is ex Queenswood. Lots and lots going on and generally more academic because there are not grammar schools in the area. I tend to agree that smaller schools can give opportunities to a lot more girls; sport, drama, dance, music etc but they can be very competitive, especially the sports teams.

Aylesbury High is very different to Wycombe High. I dont think you have to be tough at Wycombe High - no more so than any other grammar school. Aylesbury High takes from a wide area and catchment area largely means you get in before anyone else. I think fewer come from outside catchment at Dr Challoners High because more in that area "pass" the 11 plus. Aylesbury children do less well so the grammar schools in Aylesbury Vale fill up with out of catchment chlidren. I would, in general, choose Aylesury High over Pipers, but it would depend on the child. Most girls are very happy at Aylesbury High even though it is a large school. It is consistently outstanding.

morningtoncrescent62 · 05/05/2015 13:48

My nieces went there - the youngest is now 21 so this is possibly a little out of date, but they absolutely loved it. My sister chose it for DN1 originally, as she was a reasonably high-achieving girl but very quiet and shy in primary school and my sister was worried she'd be lost in a larger more 'academic' school. All three girls then ended up going there as DN1 was so happy and thriving. My sister felt that her eldest got the opportunities she wouldn't have had in a larger school - she got to be in the shows and sports teams, whereas she may well have been overlooked in another environment. She eventually went to Cambridge, the youngest went to Edinburgh, and the middle one didn't go to university at all but probably wouldn't have no matter which school she'd attended. And they all emerged as delightful, caring young women, quietly confident in their own ways. I went to a couple of school open days with them, and recognise the vibe as you've described it. It felt like a lovely place to be (and I speak as someone with reservations about the independent sector).

I think it might depend a bit on your daughter's disposition. If she's very extravert and confident then one of the larger schools might be more exciting for her, with more competition if that's what she likes. But my sister and all my nieces were more than happy with Pipers and the girls speak of their school experiences with real affection.

LooksLikeImStuckHere · 05/05/2015 07:22

I don't know as much about Challoners but Aylesbury High has a good reputation for pastoral care.

Wycombe High you have to be pretty tough. Smile

If money isn't an issue than I would probably opt for Pipers, see how they go and do as GRW suggests, consider Aylesbury for sixth form.