Please or to access all these features

Secondary education

Connect with other parents whose children are starting secondary school on this forum.

Challenging Teacher's Controlled Assessment Mark GCSE

108 replies

Dancingdreamer · 07/04/2015 09:09

Advice please on creative writing piece- sorry not sure what exactly called. Expected higher grade based on course work and previous exams. However got new teacher this year where clearly personality clash. Assessment marked down with comments that seem to relate to style eg "overly metaphorical" when had been taught to include metaphor, similes etc to get more marks!

Asked school for explanation but fobbed off with loads of technical data and nothing specific about reasons for marks. Refused a meeting to discuss. How can this be approached please?

OP posts:
Dancingdreamer · 09/04/2015 00:15

Thanks to those who pointed out that my lack of the word "the" was not a mistake but only me trying to keep the post brief! I was worried, when told had made errors that I could no longer see my mistakes!

For those who say I am in no position to judge the quality of work, I do actually have a degree in English from one of the UK's top universities so I think I can probably make some assessment. However, as I said, am not a teacher so can't claim to know marking scheme.

I understand that DC may not have performed on the day and would accept that if the feedback had been along the lines of "multiple spelling mistakes; lack of advanced vocab used or serious grammatical errors". None of these were mentioned. The feedback was purely stylistic and thus, to my opinion, very subjective. The school, however, will not let me see the work (this is their policy - not sure if that is common across all schools).

I am not confident that the work has been reviewed properly by another teacher. The school will be happy with the grade given as it is within one grade of target so I believe, if any review took place, it was only a cursory glance.

My DC is not a complainer and accepts feedback when needed. It is so unusual to get such a strong response and belief that this mark is unfair, hence why I want to support.

However, am now deeply frustrated that there seems to be no line of appeal and we just seem to be told to put up or shut up.

If anyone has advice or ideas on how I can progress this, would be so grateful.

OP posts:
Marmaladedandelions · 08/04/2015 10:36

Yes, that was my understanding as well - it's been a while since I've taught but while they couldn't redo one as such they could answer a different question.

Good luck to MasterDancing Star

sassytheFIRST · 08/04/2015 10:30

Yes, the rules are that once marked, you can't redo another assessment with the same title. But can do another v similar from a selection - e.g describe the scene at a busy market becomes describe an airport terminal.

Most eng depths will offer opps to write additional CAs in year 11 to improve grades. It's in the teacher's interests to get the best grades possible from her group so if she feels your son could have done better, she will almost certainly give him another go.

Calm down op Smile

jeanne16 · 08/04/2015 10:27

My DS has redone 2 out of the 4 English Language controlled assessments and the Eng Lit one to improve his marks. It is worth doing so they go into the exams with the best possible start. Most English teachers are very helpful particularly if the pupil is keen. However if your DC is in year 11, then you have very little time left. Contact the school ASAP.

NeedAnEasterEggForMyGiraffe · 08/04/2015 10:17

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Marmaladedandelions · 08/04/2015 10:00

The comparison with the childs work is fair. If my son was getting As and then dropped down to a C I would query it without expecting to be pulled up on my own lack of knowledge about either the subject or my written English! In other words - it isn't about the OP, but about her son.

mayfridaycomequickly · 08/04/2015 09:54

Oh, and I didn't 'berate' I pointed it out and expanded when asked by the op.

mayfridaycomequickly · 08/04/2015 09:52

She's claiming to know better than the teacher what grade her child should have been awarded for an English piece - based on comparison with other child's work and checking the mark scheme. Your English needs to be really good to assume a grade from that!

Marmaladedandelions · 08/04/2015 09:51

I don't understand why the op is being berated for making mistakes. After all, it isn't her CA but her son's!

I think if I were you I would ask if my son could submit a different piece. :)

GettingEggyWithIt · 08/04/2015 09:48

mayfriday The OP is quite clearly summarising in shorthand not writing a flippin' essay! Pedants' corner is situated in the topic 'other stuff'.

Ionacat · 08/04/2015 09:34

Moderation takes hours because the exam boards request a random sample of work and therefore the marks awarded have to be as consistent as possible.
Instead of complaining about the marking, a better approach would be to talk to the teacher and ask about whether it is worth re-doing as your DC was very disappointed with their mark. Teachers do make mistakes, but this is why we have internal moderation and it really isn't in anyone's interest to mark down controlled assessed work there is too much riding on it especially in English.

Maria33 · 08/04/2015 09:10

Yes - to get a 9 or 10 the work needs to be almost flawless in terms of grammar, spelling, sentence construction and whole text construction. As you haven't seen the final piece, you have no idea whether this was the case.

If you have written in, the piece of work will have been moderated by the HOD. As other posters have pointed out, whether or not a "personality clash" exists, departments are under huge pressure to get the best possible results, so it is far more likely that marking of CA will be as generous as possible.

I also second the advice that you encourage your child to work whether or not they like the teacher. It's not a personal relationship, it's a professional one... Teenagers (most human beings Grin ) obviously find that distinction difficult.

mayfridaycomequickly · 08/04/2015 08:53

There are lots, and more in subsequent posts (you don't use 'the' where it needs to be used for example) I don't teach English but it really is obvious that your take on your child's work wouldn't be accurate enough to even guess at a grade.

HermiaDream · 08/04/2015 08:29

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

HermiaDream · 08/04/2015 08:26

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

cansu · 08/04/2015 08:26

Believe me the teacher's concern will be for your dc to get the best mark possible as her pay and progression depend on getting good results. Students think that it is personal because they are immature and to them it is personal. Unfortunately by accepting your dc take on the fact that they didn't do as well as they would have liked you are reinforcing this rather childish way of thinking. If your dc has decided that they dislike this teacher then there is every chance that they are not taking her teaching on board and are perhaps not working as they should in class. I have seen this happen. Child dislikes teacher so decides not to work for her or him. Your main focus here should be to get your dc to understand that their attitude may be affecting their progress rather than talk about personality clashes and other such rubbish. I would also imagine that the piece of work has been looked at by now, given your email to the HOD. I think you have done yourself and your son no favours in approaching it like this. As a teacher I would be very offended to be accused of deliberately marking a student down because they didn't like me. I remember a parent telling my then head of year that there was a personality clash between myself and a student. I didn't see it myself. All I could see was a student who wanted to call out, make jokes and generally sabotage the teaching of the others.

titchy · 08/04/2015 08:14

Well as you haven't actually seen the work, and don't know what the final grade boundaries are you haven't really got anything to go on have you. Do you really think the teacher is going to risk her cohort getting lower marks and put her career in jeopardy just so she can get her own back on your child?

Here's a thought - he didn't do as well as he could have. You have been told why and what he needs to work on.

CultureSucksDownWords · 07/04/2015 23:59

Unless you've seen the whole final written piece then you really can't be certain that it has been incorrectly marked.

Individual pieces of work can't be sent for external moderation, a random sample of the whole cohort will be sent which could contain your child's work (but also may not).

It's unlikely that a teacher would and could get away with deliberately marking a students work down. If it is mistakenly marked down then internal moderation should pick this up. If you are certain that a mistake has been made then ask specifically for another teacher (HoD probably) to look at the work and confirm the teachers marking. They may agree to this if you ask, but they don't have to.

EvilTwins · 07/04/2015 23:39

No point asking for external moderation - this is part of the process, and as PP have stated, no one wants to risk the whole cohort being affected by a rogue high/low mark.

It is more likely that the marking is accurate than it is that the teacher has an axe to grind with your DC.

NeedAnEasterEggForMyGiraffe · 07/04/2015 23:33

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Dancingdreamer · 07/04/2015 23:29

I know am not a teacher but prior to assessment looked at mark scheme in detail. Didn't seem any reason to be concerned as past work seemed to indicate that would be comfortably in expected band.

We have looked again at what has produced in past and compared to work from other family and older friends who have gone on to get As and A*s. Having done this, don't understand the mark. Was very comfortable with subject matter and confident that would do really well in this section. In fact expected this to be one of stongest pieces.

It's the strenght of reaction of DC which am responding to as highly unusual to be so vocal about something like this. Feels real injustice has been done and sadly does now think the teacher is real arse!

OP posts:
Wolfiefan · 07/04/2015 23:16

It may just be that your DC doesn't do as well in this style of writing. Teachers work to a mark scheme. If you haven't seen the work then I'm not sure why you think it deserves a higher mark.
Oh and please don't go into school blaming a clash of characters. Students are there to learn. Teachers to teach. Suggesting a character clash (unless the teacher is a complete arse) reflects poorly on your DC.

Dancingdreamer · 07/04/2015 23:11

Mayfriday - what mistakes have I made? Agree don't want to make mistakes in emails!

OP posts:
Dancingdreamer · 07/04/2015 23:09

Email was sent to teacher and copied into Head of English. Reply came from Head of English. Reply did not say this piece was internally moderated just stated generally that there was an internal moderation process.

It's AQA English. Not sure more than that. Mark is at B grade when high A or A* was what we thought capable of based on previous stuff. As haven't seen what was done, it is very difficult to argue a case. Just all very surprised and shocked. And the vague feedback does not suggest there is a strong defence from the school.

Can we ask that it go to external moderation?

OP posts:
HermiaDream · 07/04/2015 21:21

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.