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National 5 choices, French or not?

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wigglybeezer · 20/03/2015 18:43

DS2 plans to go to Uni, he is talented at sciences and has struggled but improved in French (which is his least favourite). do you think he would be at a disadvantage in uni applications (probably Chemistry) not having a MFL if I let him choose geography instead?

Thinking ahead we are also considering encouraging him to do Higher history rather than Higher English in 5th year, anyone else have experience of this?

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prettybird · 24/03/2015 14:20

Although it was a very long time ago, I went to St Andrews from 5th Year (initially to do French and Russian but finished off doing French and Economics) and had a fabulous time. Smile

dotdotdotmustdash · 22/03/2015 23:07

Thanks Wiggly, but we'll be happier when we know the results in August! it could all go horribly wrong before then.

I know what you mean about St Andrews. I think anyone with less than AAABB after a fifth year would probably be best to look elsewhere. Once again, we can only hope! I hope your boy get there, it looks like a lovely place to stay and quite safe. We're not far away in Dunfermline so it would be lovely not to have our Dd too far away. Ds plans to travel daily to Dundee if he gets in to Abertay.

wigglybeezer · 22/03/2015 21:00

Phew! computer games design is so competitive and Abertay has a good rep (DH is a computer animation director and has worked with games companies from time to time), well done to all of you.

DS2 wants to do chemistry at ST Andrews, he likes the wee city and there is a direct bus home but the grades needed are high.

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dotdotdotmustdash · 22/03/2015 20:55

As I said before, my Ds has Aspergers. He was diagnosed aged 9 and has a very high intelligence but social anxiety and organisational issues. He finds maths very difficult but has taken the Higher course over 2 years rather than one so hopefully this year he will sit the exam and pass it. He refuses to study as one of his issues is that he won't let school work 'contaminate' his home life, he's never done homework without huge stress on all of us and has to rely on his memory rather than revision. It's been a tough few years to get where we are!

dotdotdotmustdash · 22/03/2015 20:50

My Ds is in 6th year at the moment. He got 8 credits in 4th year, sat and passed 3 Highers last year with ABC and is sitting another 3 this year along with one Advanced Higher. He has conditional offers with 3 Unis for Computer Games Design courses, one wants an A at H maths, another wants 2xBs including maths and the third (Abertay which is the best Uni for the subject) wants AB without a requirement for maths. He's going to make Abertay his first choice as he's never had an A in any maths exam!

My DD is in 5th year taking 5 Highers and predicted all As. She's planning to take 4 AHs in 6th year and hoping to go to St Andrews Uni to do languages.

It's going to be a busy May and a very tense summer for us!

wigglybeezer · 22/03/2015 20:06

I have already researched a couple of options along those lines for DS2, they sound good confidence builders, he wants to do Chemistry but higher maths is going to be a stretch so he may end up going to college first. Ds1 and several friends are off to college this year, he is having to do an access course as he crashed and burned at Nat 5 level unfortunately but he will get there in the end.

hope your DS gets onto the course he wants and enjoys it, good luck!

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tabulahrasa · 22/03/2015 19:44

Mine's at college doing an HNC, with a couple of conditional uni offers for science subjects.

He could possibly have gone straight to uni, but, he had a couple of subjects he didn't do so well at at higher (not sciences) and that combined with college being a nicer progression for him, that's what he's done.

Because he hasn't had to concentrate as much academically for the HNC (for the first 3 months it was way too easy, lol) he's had lots of time to get used to not being at school, travelling...and he's made some friends, so I think it was the right route for him Smile

wigglybeezer · 22/03/2015 19:33

It have a disaster story involving digital papers, Ds1 sat Nat 5 biology on a computer last year but the process wasn't fully explained to him so he wrote the answers to the long written paper on the computer but filled in the multiple choice answers in the actual exam paper, which was then gathered up and thrown away by the invigilator and only one of his papers was graded. he was predicted a C and been getting B's in past papers after a lot of revision but got a D on appeal as he had failed his prelim, of course if he had asked the invigilator for help he would have been fine but being DS1 he didn't.

I will be grey haired by the time all three have finished with exams!

I have checked with DS and he does get extra time in assessments and the school have offered tech support, they have tablets but I think DS would find a full size keyboard better.

Tabularasa and dotdotmustdash , how are your DS's doing now?

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dotdotdotmustdash · 22/03/2015 12:56

I work as a TA in a High School. My Ds has AS and Hypermobility syndrome and has always been given IT resources and separate accommodation to sit his exams, including Higher English. His handwriting is poor and he finds it difficult to keep up with flow of thoughts.

I can also tell you that being given a scribe in exams is far less likely with the new qualifications that it was before. There will more pupils using digital papers. I must say I do agree with this, having scribed for pupils. Whilst your scribing does reflect their words, it doesn't accurately reflect their spelling or to some extent, their punctuation either. I'm not sure it's fair for colleges and employers to be told that a dyslexic pupil (for example) has a good pass at Nat 5 English when in reality they would struggle to write well enough independently to function in some roles.

My OH has worked with nursing students who have obviously reached the standard for Highers to get onto the degree course, but aren't effectively reading and writing in handwritten patient's notes, which can have an impact of safety.

tabulahrasa · 22/03/2015 12:13

I can't either...but then my DS didn't read phonetically at all until he was in P4, he was managing to read because he was looking at the shape of the words he'd memorised rather than the sounds letters made.

With a scribe though, the pupil says what they want written and reads it over and can make revisions then (or the scribe reads it back over) they can act as a reader and a prompt as well depending on which difficulties the pupil has. They can't actually help with the answers, but pretty much anything else they can.

It doesn't suit everyone, but it should be offered as an option.

They should also be offering alternative sources of notes as well, so that they're not having to be handwritten and provide a laptop if it's needed.

wigglybeezer · 22/03/2015 11:29

DS2 has always resisted typing ( and will only write in pencil! ) he was so close to finally writing at an acceptable speed when he damaged his hand, it was really frustrating ( and the OT wanted him to keep writing as much as possible to preserve remaining strength) but it is an important skill anyway, can anyone recommend a small cheap laptop or notebook?

I cannot imagine writing and memorising long passages in my head ( my memory is pants) but DS goes on what he calls "Wisdom walks" to do it! He really is a charming oddball!

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tabulahrasa · 22/03/2015 10:47

Better than without one, lol...he does it in his head anyway because what he can get on paper takes too long and although my DS can type, he was still quicker with a scribe for the subjects with lots of writing.

For maths and sciences he used a combination of typing and a transcriber.

wigglybeezer · 22/03/2015 10:23

How does he get on with a scribe? I find it hard to imagine using one as I formulate and revise what I say as I write it rather than do it in my head and dictate, I would feel self- conscious with a scribe but DS would probably be OK, he dictated several chapters of a Sci- fi epic to the learning support teacher at primary school.

I am feeling more relaxed about 4 Highers in one sitting now, thanks.

I managed to do a degree and a Masters without ever having to fill in a Ucas form, write a personal statement or study a prospectus, I went to art school where you just handed in a portfolio, simple ( did have to have higher English though!).

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tabulahrasa · 22/03/2015 09:58

It isn't that the Higher is needed for uni entry, it's that English skills are IMO.

Have they spoken to you about exam arrangements yet? As they should be the same for assessments anyway...my DS used a scribe from about S2. (he also has AS)

SquirrelledAway · 22/03/2015 09:48

Yep, medicine at Edinburgh (for instance) requires English at standard grade or Int) it doesn't require Higher English.

I would push to make sure he does get English at Nat 5 at least.

Passmethecrisps · 22/03/2015 09:37

And the current consensus with most scottish unis is (I think) 4 Highers in one sitting is the standard.

Passmethecrisps · 22/03/2015 09:36

I wouldn't question a lack of MFL in any student if they had sound reasons for dropping it. I have never known a university to require it unless the course was language-based or perhaps international relations.

He should aim towards 5 nat 5s whih are as good as they can be.

wigglybeezer · 22/03/2015 09:33

Yes Squirrelled, as I mentioned before I know a boy doing medicine who doesn 't have Higher English and most English students starting science degrees don't have A-level English so, while it is essential for arts and humanities it is surely optional for science. DS has good analysis and evaluation skills in his essays for most subjects ( he gets A's).

I Have CSYS English by the way, in case anyone thinks I am biased against it.

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SquirrelledAway · 22/03/2015 09:11

DS dropped English for S5, the Geography Higher course, and in particular the assignment, requires analysis and evaluation skills which would suit someone that is more science orientated. DS is looking at science or engineering courses, I don't think the lack of an English Higher should be a problem having looked at the entry requirements for courses as he has a good English Nat 5 grade.

wigglybeezer · 21/03/2015 18:46

He has used voice activated software at home in the past, not suitable for use in a classroom situation though.

We have not been able to do typing training due to the nature of his injury and the amount of time spent on physio but we should be able to do that over the summer holidays and we will get him a small laptop.

All may be resolved if he gets a better teacher in May.

I think 4 Highers and a Nat5 in fifth year may be the way to go as long as it isn't an issue with uni's not doing five Highers in one sitting.

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wigglybeezer · 21/03/2015 18:35

I agree dotdotmustdash.

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dotdotdotmustdash · 21/03/2015 17:32

Re your aside...My DC school did eight subjects last year and have also dropped to 7 this year. My Dd did all eight Nat 5s but they only had 3 periods per week of each subject so she didn't achieve as well as she could in her weaker subjects. She ended up with 4xA, 2xB and 2xC, with maths being one of her Cs. My Ds managed 8 Credits the year before much more easily and with much less studying. They are tougher exams and they need a lot more input.

tabulahrasa · 21/03/2015 14:37

It's not basic literacy so much at this stage that would bother me...it's things like analysis as it's needed in other subjects and IMO just because of the nature of other subjects isn't covered as well outside English.

Him not being able to concentrate isn't his issue in those circumstances it's the teacher's behaviour management...AS isn't even a factor (I mean it won't help, and it's useful to point out that he can't just 'do' something like block out distractions, but the fact that those distractions are there is the issue).

Is there anything in place to compensate for his writing or typing rate?

wigglybeezer · 21/03/2015 14:28

As an aside, The school has dropped from 8 to 7 Nat 5's, which is better I think, it seemed to be a problem finding enough time to do a good job of eight subjects.

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wigglybeezer · 21/03/2015 14:23

All his other subjects praise his literacy skills ( and not just in science subjects ) though which confuses me rather and he is a keen reader, he reckons he has underperformed due to some rather " lively" fellow classmates disrupting the class and attempting to wind him up. the English teacher seems to blame him for being unable to ignore the banter but he has AS so it is hard for him to concentrate ( I am girding my loins to confront her about this at parents evening next week).

The poor soul also had a bad accident a year ago and has had restricted use of his dominant hand which hasn't helped with his writing / typing rate.

I have made several attempts to have this dealt with which have been deflected by the guidance teacher, I am just going to have to bite the bullet and go to someone higher up in school management. I will end up seeming like a pushy mother but I really think the English teacher has underestimated his potential and is unaware of how much he has improved in other subjects. He is not one of those kids that reaches their natural level and then plateaus he has come from behind but just keeps on improving, a tortoise rather than a hare. Luckily he is a hard worker and totally uninterested in social media!

This will be the last revision free Easter for many years in our house, I better make the most of it!

thanks all for the input.

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