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extra time refused for dyslexic DD's A levels

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yolofish · 20/03/2015 14:42

just that really! Her reading and comprehension have been assessed as still slower/below average, but not bad enough to meet the exam board threshhold for extra time.

she had extra time at GCSE, and should apparently have had a reader although she says she didnt know that. all her teachers have assumed she will get extra time for A levels, with advice including "use your extra time to map out the essay" etc etc

her main problem is not reading/comprehension, but getting the ideas out of her head and onto paper, so writing an essay is a tortuous process for example, although she gets there in the end.

I have asked the school whether there is a writing test, rather than a reading and comprehension test, and whether there is scope for input from teachers re the amount of time/effort she has to put in to produce written work.

she is now very stressed... any other ideas about how I can help her anyone please? TIA

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yolofish · 29/04/2015 22:28

OK, so she scored too high to get the ET. dont know what the assessment programme is, but the benchmark over 5 tests was 84, with a grey area of 85-89, and she got an average of 93 so scored too highly.

She is pretty philosophical actually, a bit pissed off of course, but the SENCO had a really good chat with her about strategies for how to cope without the extra time and I am confident SENCO will keep on her and teachers' case to make sure staff are aware and help her focus.

Cant fault the school because they have really done their best for her.

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yolofish · 27/04/2015 01:58

just an update: she is having a computerised assessment sometime this week, a programme which school has actually bought (due to shortage of time); SENCO tells me there will be enough time to make applications and get resolution.

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yolofish · 25/03/2015 22:29

no poison it was brill! thank you fugacity I will raise those points. This is what I dont understand... she had the ET before, she is clearly dyslexic, it doesnt just disappear, and dyslexia is not just about reading/comprehension but about processing speed. All her teachers have assumed she would get it again, and told her she must use the extra time to assess the task and plan her essays. so just because her reading/comprehension has picked up a bit she must automatically be able to increase her brain to page speed?

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Fugacity · 25/03/2015 18:28

Needing extra time has to be her "normal way of working". This means that she should get and use extra time in class tests and timed essays. The school needs to provide evidence, such as changing pen colour at the end of regular time.

Flappingandflying · 25/03/2015 18:24

I test for EAA. It is my decision who gets ET. I do not necessarily accept external reports. Advice from teachers is essential. The problem is that it is very late now if she is taking exams this May. If someone comes out of the woodwork now and teachers have not noticed anything then I have to say 'no' because
I would have no 'evidence of need' to show the inspectors. JCQ send out inspectors and if they don't approve of a decision then they will pull that eaa for the candidate and possibly all candidates. They can shut the centre down. Therefore SENCOs have to be very careful.

As to tests she needs to be tested on single word reading, a reading speed test, a comprehension test, DASH handwriting assessment plus a test of processing speed. I would do this as a norm. The trouble is that schools might not have the tests in house (they are costly) or someone with a qualification to test. I would want to know why she wasn't retested during the ?christmas term or early January.

Poisonwoodlife · 25/03/2015 13:35

I am dyslexic myself so I just hope it wasn't some of my twisted syntax Grin

I really hope it works out for your DD.

yolofish · 25/03/2015 12:40

thanks again poison I have just pinched some of your words in my latest email to school, and delicately questioned deadline for application.

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yolofish · 23/03/2015 17:22

poison I dont know... however she is of lower than average academic ability according to CAT scores. but yes, the "what has changed" question seems very valid to me, although they've told me her reading ability/comprehension has improved as said in the OP.

the 'task explained/broken down in more detail' was what all her teachers have been telling her to use her extra time for - she CAN do it, but it takes her longer.

no view on the deadline of last Friday, according to today's email that doesnt seem to be an issue, or hasnt been raised as such.

I am a parent governor at the school, so I am very wary of being seen to throw my weight about, and despite what I know about some areas of education I am so much less informed than many of you who have responded - so thank you.

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Poisonwoodlife · 23/03/2015 15:50

moomin You describe the scientific basis of an Ed Psych diagnosis. That with evidence of need used to be enough to get extra time. In 2012 the D of E decided that too many pupils were being given extra time and Gove wanted to have a nice soundbite for the Daily Mail so the regulations were tightened up with a complete disregard for the scientific basis for a diagnosis that you describe. Now you only qualify for extra time if certain scores are below the level of the bottom 14 % of the population, whatever your level of ability. So now you are discriminated against if your scores are well below what you would predict of someone with that level of ability but still above the level of the bottom 14% at level, and given an advantage if your scores are what you would predict for someone whose ability is in the bottom 14%, so that struggling to show what you are capable of in timed exam conditions because of your working memory, processing, speed of writing etc. is not necessarily the issue.

yolo progress I suppose but the task explained in more detail / broken down Well she isn't going to get that in exam conditions. Do those teachers understand dyslexia? Is this more to do with wanting to, as the Dof E have, appear to be tougher? Do they understand the previous testing / evidence of need that resulted in her getting extra time at GCSE? I still think that if there were test scores and evidence of need last year what has changed needs to be explained. Some individual scores may vary year to year but the underlying differences in the way in which your brain works don't go away, you can get better at coping but it is counterintuitive that that would happen at a time when the challenge of A level over GCSE is going up a level. Normally that is when greater difficulties start to manifest themselves. It certainly should not be something that changes because of school policy or some other factor than your DDs needs.

More worried that someone downthread said the deadline for getting approval for special arrangements was last Friday? Have they already mucked up her chances?

I would really be on the warpath, it is no joke to for a pupil who faces these challenges to be faced with losing the extra time she has been used to working with, and it will affect her grade.

Moominmammacat · 23/03/2015 15:19

My DS got 25% extra time (and the offer of 50% which we didn't pursue because A levels were getting very long). All done on ed psych report every three years, SENCO rubbish at assessing anything. The same reports were used for DSA at uni. His was a straightforward case because the discrepancy between his actual IQ and his performance IQ (at least this is how it was explained to me) was more than 30 points and 10% is normally considered severe enough to allow extra time.

Viviennemary · 23/03/2015 14:26

I think the criteria has been tightened up. And I agree. Of course I can't comment on your DD. But the extra time thing should only be used in very exceptional circumstances.

yolofish · 23/03/2015 14:23

well I've had this today from asst SENCO:

I have arranged a meeting with all of DD1’s teachers this afternoon, as the information they fed back to me was that
DD1 needs
· to be reminded of the task
· the task explained in more detail / broken down
Unfortunately this assistance would not qualify for extra time and staff would certainly not be able to assist in this way.
Please bear with me, I will do all I can to ensure DD1 gets any support I can evidence the need for. If there is still a question mark, then Mr XXXXX (SENCO) and I have already agreed to get her assessed further.

It's progress I suppose....

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iHAVEtogetoutofhere · 20/03/2015 18:35

just marking place to come back later. (sorry)

LIZS · 20/03/2015 18:03

Yes I think so . He still got good grades even without it but whether one or two of the As have been A*s with more time we'll never know!

goinggetstough · 20/03/2015 17:59

The assessments have to be completed no earlier than year 9 and will be current in the sixth form. The authorisation from the exam boards would have to be renewed as they last for 26 months, but assessments post year 9 are still valid.www.jcq.org.uk/exams-office/access-arrangements-and-special-consideration/regulations-and-guidance/access-arrangements-and-reasonable-adjustments-2014-2015
NB Assessments for DSA (disabled student allowance) must be post 16 years.
Lizs I wonder whether your DS was affected by the changes in regulations and the fact it was pre- year 9.
The deadline for this summer's exams and exam concessions was today.

LIZS · 20/03/2015 17:50

They may have done processing assessments in-house since if SENCO is suitably qualified. I'm surprised an assessment in y9 would be admissible for y13 though. Ds' in y8 was not accepted for GCSE.

iniac · 20/03/2015 17:42

wfrances don't worry - school must have the necessary evidence if he has been awarded extra time.

wfrances · 20/03/2015 17:36

i was told by senco that once assessment had been made by ed psych that was it, as your cognitive abilities dont change.
my ds was last assessed in junor school, this report has been used in secondary school.
im worried now as ds has the extra time and sits by himself at gcse but hopes to do a levels does that mean he might not get them anymore?

VivaLeBeaver · 20/03/2015 17:25

Ive no idea if it's causing her problems in exams. It all seems like a load of hassle, think I won't bother. If she gets a B rather than an A it's not the end of the world. Thanks.

iniac · 20/03/2015 17:24

again from PATOSS

'A key change has been made in that all evidence for these arrangements must now be drawn from assessments conducted no earlier than year 9, rather than from any time within secondary education'

VivaLeBeaver · 20/03/2015 17:23

It was the senco I spoke to in year 7. She seemed like a total muppet to be honest.

Poisonwoodlife · 20/03/2015 17:23

Viva If you look at the regs you need two things in place to get extra time, firstly the relevant scores below a certain level (85 or below the 14th percentile, ie the bottom 14%) in a recent Ed Psych assessment (or the relevant tests administered by a suitably qualified SENCO) as set out in the JCQ regs above, and secondly that the school has established evidence of need.

The second was actually always required but the quality and level of that process varied between schools. My older daughter actually met the first criteria but because she managed to achieve very good grades via her own compensating strategies her school did not regard her as having sufficient evidence of need and she has only started to have extra time granted at university when those strategies were not as effective in coping with the requirements of her exams.

I think the first question should be whether you or she feels she needs extra time because her working memory problems are manifesting themselves in difficulties under exam conditions eg misreading / misunderstanding questions, struggling to finish consistently. Otherwise it is putting yourself through a lot of hassle! If that is the case you should ask schools will then have to implement a process to a. test and b. establish need / the usual way of working in consultation with all her teachers and eg incremental granting of extra time with a change of pen colour so that they can see what use she has made of different time etc.

LIZS · 20/03/2015 17:22

But does that also assume an Ed Psych report less than 3 years old?

iniac · 20/03/2015 17:20

From Patoss website:

'When candidates begin an A level course, they do not need to be formally re-assessed, but the Centre must establish that there is a continuing need for these arrangements, and paint the picture of need. This might be achieved through gathering commentary from teaching staff, mock examinations etc and preparing a brief summary note to attach to
Form 8.'

yolofish · 20/03/2015 17:20

just had a really helpful email from SENCO; they are looking into it in more depth and want a week's grace - fair enough, also gives me time to check out what you guys have said!

Viva my DD is allegedly moderately dyslexic; her CAT scores are also lower than average (altho she will go far, given her emotional intelligence!) all I can advise is that you go into the school now to see the SENCO with her previous ed psych report and ask about how they propose to help her in the future, because although she is keeping up well now she may struggle as the workload increases, however bright she is (and she should have the input, she is entitled to it). Remedial classes have fuck all to do with it! (and I speak as someone whose DD is NOT what they classify as 'bright' BTW)

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