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Pls help - allocation mistake, do I need to appeal?

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LightTheLittleLight · 02/03/2015 18:51

Hoping someone can advise on procedure where we didn't get our first choice secondary due to (I think) school's mistake. At risk of outing myself completely with this, but anyway here goes:

Applied for secondary schools for DS and our first choice was a faith school. Its over subscription criteria are as follows:

  1. Looked after children of the faith
  2. Children baptised in the faith currently attending named faith feeder primaries
  3. Other looked after children
  4. Siblings
  5. Children baptised in the faith living within the area of responsibility.
Followed by various other criteria not relevant to our situation.

DS is baptised in the faith and lives in the school's area of responsibility.

He did attend one of the named feeder schools for two years but we had to withdraw him when his younger sibling did not get a place (long story). Hence he falls within category 5.

The admissions policy then lists a number of tie-breakers in the event of oversubscription in any of the categories. Some of the tie-breakers specify that they apply to certain categories only, but tie-breaker 3 simply states that the length of time an applicant has spent in a faith feeder school will be taken into account and priority will be given to those who have spent the longest time at such schools. Tie-breaker 5 then states that in the event that none of the above tie-breakers resolve the situation, places will be allocated according to distance from the school.

DS did not get a place. However, the school's allocation statement says that a number of children from category 5 (DS's category) were allocated places based on distance from the school, so the closest children were allocated places. Therefore it does not appear that tie-breaker 3 was applied to this category before moving onto tie-breaker 5.

Obviously our case is that tie-breaker 3 should have been applied first, in which case DS would have been given a place, before the school started allocating places based on distance alone.

Can anyone knowledgeable tell me if they think I've got it right? Also, my understanding is that, if I am right and the school have made a mistake in not allocating DS a place, they have to admit him. So what happens now? How should I approach things with the school? Will I need to follow the normal appeal procedure and wait until the hearings in June or will the school have to resolve its mistake and offer a place now?

DS is gutted Sad but I haven't told him I believe there has been a mistake in case I'm wrong. Tbh I'm so annoyed with the school I'm tempted to go with our allocated place (which is a really good school) but I know DS desperately wants this one.

Would be grateful for any advice, thank you Flowers

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admission · 06/03/2015 12:51

well done. Not only a lesson for applicants to make sure you check ever so carefully what the admission criteria are for the school but also for the school that they do only have one set of admission criteria that are understandable and not open to different interpretations.

The school is also to be applauded in that they have rectified a mistake when many admission authorities would have dragged it out and wanted the appeal panel to be seen to rectify the mistake.

LightTheLittleLight · 06/03/2015 11:50

DS was absolutely thrilled!! He actually sang all the way home from school (not normal DS behaviour!!) Grin

It is just lovely to see him so excited and really looking forward to starting secondary school Smile

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saintlyjimjams · 06/03/2015 08:10

Brilliant news - was DS delighted?

Frikadellen · 05/03/2015 21:10

Wonderful news.

prh47bridge · 05/03/2015 18:20

Excellent news! I'm really glad to hear the school has fixed the problem without insisting on you going through an appeal.

GiddyOnZackHunt · 05/03/2015 13:35

Excellent news for you :) Good call on your part!

SoupDragon · 05/03/2015 13:18

Wow! how wonderful and how easily sorted out!

AKnickerfulOfMenace · 05/03/2015 13:14

Yay!

LightTheLittleLight · 05/03/2015 13:10

Update - the school just called and apologised unreservedly. It was an error, DS should have been at the top of his category, and he has been offered a place.

I am going to have one very happy child tonight! Grin

Thank you to everyone who took the time to read and give their views. It just goes to show - it's always worth double-checking the admissions policy, and if you think there might have been a mistake, ring and ask! It could all be sorted out very easily!

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HereIAm20 · 05/03/2015 11:31

Fingers still crossed for you x

LightTheLittleLight · 04/03/2015 16:17

I called and spoke with the admissions secretary this morning and politely explained the situation - she said she would check and get back to me.

Infuriatingly, I've just missed a call from the school as I was out on the school run! They left a message asking me to call again in the morning so I guess I'll get their view on the whole thing then.

I have a polite but clear letter ready to email to them, but given that they have responded quickly I think I will wait until we've spoken tomorrow before I send it. I am so annoyed with myself for missing the call and now I've got to wait until tomorrow - but I'm assuming the reason they've replied so quickly will be because they're going to say they've checked and everything was done properly - surely anything else would take longer to look at?

Thanks to all who have taken the time to post and to pm, I do appreciate it! Flowers

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HereIAm20 · 04/03/2015 10:40

It sounds to me as thoug a mistake has been made. A different but similar mistake was made with ds1 . I didn't realise then that if I had just pointed it I would have been allocated the space immediately. Instead I went down the appeals route but did detail the mistake as one of my points. Prior to the appeal hearing I received an offer of a place presumably because once they had read the appeal they realised.

I suggest a two pronged polite approach. A quick call to say you believe there has been a mistake in applying the tiebreak criteria which applies to category 5 placements with an equally polite letter/email to follow it up.

Let us know what happens!

juicycelebrity · 02/03/2015 22:38

I could have typed the first part of your post. We removed my child from a Catholic feeder school due to a bullying issue that wasn't resolved as well as concerns over the quality of previous teaching.

We've not been given any of our choices. To say I'm devastated would be an understatement. We've been given the worst school in the area. Gutted.

admission · 02/03/2015 22:23

I think that this admission criteria is not particularly well defined and it will depend on the exact wording of the full admission criteria and the specifics that go with it.
I would question the tie break criteria around time and specifically in your case how would anybody know that you child attended the school for a period of time or for that matter any of the applicants? Seems a very dodgy admission criteria but without seeing it in total difficult to comment further.
Please feel free to PM me with LA and school name and I will look at the admission criteria

HSMMaCM · 02/03/2015 21:34

Prh is your expert here (also tiggy or admissions if they come along )

LightTheLittleLight · 02/03/2015 20:01

Actually it's interesting to see all the different opinions! I think it's possibly not a very well drafted policy tbh!

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GiddyOnZackHunt · 02/03/2015 19:59

X posted with pr to whom I defer :) Ignore me!

GiddyOnZackHunt · 02/03/2015 19:57

I still don't think the tie breaker was applied though. If they've got to criterion 5 and filled all their spaces with children that have met the criterion of 1, 2, 3 and 4 and children in 5 who live closer then there's no ties to be broken.
If they'd got to the sibling criterion and had more siblings than spaces then the tie break would be used.
If there was a tie of two equidistant applicants for the last space under criterion 5 then they'd apply the tie break options one by one. In that case the distance category is a nonsense but it would work for the first 4 criterion.
So no tie break was applied.
Of course if people have got in purely on area of responsibility who live further away then something is wrong. Or if there's no mention of distance within the area of responsibility then it should have gone to tie break.

LightTheLittleLight · 02/03/2015 19:49

Prh47bridge, thank you Flowers I'll send a pm

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prh47bridge · 02/03/2015 19:46

This certainly sounds like a mistake. I would be happy to take a look at the published information and confirm if you would like to PM me the name of the school and the LA involved. If it is a mistake you should point this out to the school (in writing) and see if they will correct the issue without an appeal. You should also appeal. I'm afraid most admission authorities will insist on an appeal even when it is blatantly obvious they have got it wrong.

RandomMess · 02/03/2015 19:42

I would put all correspondence with the school in writing and be polite but ensure you use the appropriate terminology.

Plenty on here can help but "I believe that you have not applied your admissions criteria correctly and on those grounds I appeal for my dc to be admitted as an exception.

RustyBear · 02/03/2015 19:41

In our borough's allocation statement, the only tiebreaker specifically mentioned in each case is the last one to be applied, ie the one that made a difference. Which could mean that there was more than one child with two years in a feeder school and they used distance to choose between them.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was more than one child who had two years at the feeder, I work at a junior school and we do get quite a lot of children joining in Year 5.

OddBoots · 02/03/2015 19:39

It's worth a try. No-one on here can say with certainty any more than that but it certainly does sound worth appealing.

LightTheLittleLight · 02/03/2015 19:37

Ok so I need to contact the school (which is its own admissions authority) and see what they say?

To those who asked, yes we had to complete a supplemental form giving details of baptism etc and list all primary schools attended with dates. I did include the time spent at a feeder school.

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LightTheLittleLight · 02/03/2015 19:35

I mean, even if they intended it to apply only to cat 2 applicants, if they don't say that, they surely can't enforce it that way?

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