Please or to access all these features

Secondary education

Connect with other parents whose children are starting secondary school on this forum.

A new MFL from scratch to GCSE in two years?

39 replies

MassaAttack · 08/02/2015 13:49

Ds has chosen Spanish which he's never done before (they do French and German at KS3). He's ok at French, but not top set.

I love him for his ambition, and I'm not obsessed with A*s, but is it actually possible to achieve a reasonable grade with no prior study?

OP posts:
New posts on this thread. Refresh page
overthemill · 10/02/2015 16:36

It's comll standard in state schools to do this so no reason why not. My suggestion to talk to MFL teacher at school to check out his aptitude. If he's motivated it will help. IMO as parent if 3 kids all of whom did spanish - it seems quite easy if you have french in the background

vulgarwretch · 10/02/2015 16:33

I did Spanish AS level in 2 years and got a B. I think it's eminently possible.

Needmoresleep · 10/02/2015 16:28

DS did German in two. He was desperate to give up Latin and this was the best alternative. He was not a linguist so we organised for him to spend some time in Germany in the summer before he started. He ended up having a great time, picked up a nice accent and this meant he was mid way up the class from the start. It also added to his interest in the language as he could see the point.

dotdotdotmustdash · 10/02/2015 16:23

It's been possible for years in Scotland to pick up a 2nd language as a 'crash Higher' in 5th year (lower 6th). This is generally taught 6 periods per week and gives the equivalent of an AS level after one year. Many pupils try it and manage it successfully and some go on the following year to take Advanced Higher (A level equiv).

clary · 08/02/2015 20:12

My DCs' school offers an MFL ab initio in Year 10 and the teacher told us by Feb of year 10 you couldn't tell who the new starters were.

However - there are usually only 3-4 people doing it, they are always top set and very very keen. Given a pack to work through at the start of the summer hols (before year 10).

DD was going to pick up German (is not going to now but not cos of worries about it) - she is one of the best in her year at French so her teacher said it was great. What has your DS's teacher said about his plan?

In answer to your question, yes it totally is - DD's teacher said an A in German was within her reach - but I would ask DS's teacher what they think he will achieve. Is he doing French as well btw? I agree with others here, can he learn 250 words in a foreign language (four times over)?

Spanish IMHO is only easier if you already know French! But then he does so hey!!

I myself learned Spanish in 6th form and got an A (highest grade possible then) after 4 terms so it is quite feasible. (I was a language nut tho, had already done French, German, Latin and Greek O levels and was doing three of those for A level...)

Bunbaker · 08/02/2015 20:00

I did German O level in two years from scratch and ended up with a grade B.

GirlsTimesThree · 08/02/2015 19:59

It is possible if he's determined. DD1 took it for A level from scratch, so GCSE definitely possible.

MassaAttack · 08/02/2015 17:16

I'm not expecting fluency, Bonsoir. It wasn't until I worked drank with lots of French people that my French became any good.

I learnt most about language by working with colleagues from elsewhere in Europe and realising how relatively unimportant grammatical perfection is. You can know all your verb endings by heart and still struggle to hold a conversation - you need to get stuck in and not worry about sounding like a character from 'Allo 'Allo. Having said that, sounding like Officer Crabtree won't get you a GCSE Grin

OP posts:
Bonsoir · 08/02/2015 17:04

I'm sure it's perfectly possible to get an A or A* in GCSE Spanish with two years' study.

Whether a DC has any kind of grasp of Spanish-the-language (as opposed to the entirely different beast that is Spanish-the-GCSE) is a different question entirely!

TeenAndTween · 08/02/2015 17:00

Chips has a good point. The way the CAs are done (60%) relies on writing in advance and learning off by heart. DD is good at learning by heart which is one of the reasons she ended up doing 2 MFLs.

MassaAttack · 08/02/2015 16:59

Ooooohhhh I'm not sure, Chips.

The options form has been handed in now, so it's up to school now I guess. And my interfering parent email.

OP posts:
Chipsahoythere · 08/02/2015 16:56

The real question is: can he learn things off by heart easily? 250 words approx? If yes, go for it.

MassaAttack · 08/02/2015 16:52

Teen that's reassuring - ds is distinctly average when it comes to grades (he's awesome in other respects, of course).

Signora I've heard that Spanish is easier to learn than French or German. Might have to try it myself - although not in six weeks like Bird's daughter is asking Grin

OP posts:
SignoraLiviaBurlando · 08/02/2015 16:40

Spanish is much easier than French or German, and he will be familiar with the grammatical concepts, tenses, genders. My DS is doing Russian ab initio in Year 10 - they are all predicted A/A*. I did Greek GCSE in the sixth form ( ie 2 years study form scratch) and got an A. if you already understand the structure of language easy to pick up an additional one. When I was teacher training I needed an additional language, had never done Spanish and picked up enough in a couple of months on my own in my spare time time to pass the Uni test, and was teaching it on my first placement a few weeks later.

TeenAndTween · 08/02/2015 16:00

My y11 DD also started Spanish from scratch in y10, and has been getting on fine, despite the fact I know no Spanish. (She's very much average and is on track for Bs and Cs generally).

She is also doing French which has been a bit muddling at times, but the 'exam technique' for both is the same so that has helped.

BirdintheWings · 08/02/2015 15:29

Umm, Si. Or possibly No.

Fugacity · 08/02/2015 15:22

My DD started Spanish in Y10 and is on track for an A* in the summer. She'll be doing it at A-level too.

MassaAttack · 08/02/2015 15:20

As JudgeRinder says upthread, it'll be a piece of piss. Get cracking, Bird!

OP posts:
BirdintheWings · 08/02/2015 15:18

Well, DD has just optimistically asked if I would mind 'learning Spanish for when Lucia gets here' on her school exchange visit.

That gives me about 6 weeks. What do you reckon?

MassaAttack · 08/02/2015 15:03

A pretty Spanish student might help. Although I don't think I could specify attractiveness in any job ad Hmm

OP posts:
MassaAttack · 08/02/2015 15:01

I like how you point out the six years on for beer ordering, grovel Grin

OP posts:
MassaAttack · 08/02/2015 15:00

How many lessons? That's a good question. I'll look it up. His school have cut the number of options they're allowed, to devote more time to English and maths. So they do English language and English literature, RE, triple science, maths plus three others.

I've warned him it will be a lot of work, but he's determined. I'll look into tutors too, if he is allowed to take it. He'll need extra support I think, and I can't speak Spanish at all (I could learn I suppose )

OP posts:
grovel · 08/02/2015 14:59

What is noticeable, however, is that although he got an A* he'd struggle to order a beer in Spanish now (6 years on). He'd be fine in French (7 years on).

grovel · 08/02/2015 14:56

DS did Spanish in a year but had already done Latin and French a year early (school policy, not his linguistic brilliance).

DialMforMummy · 08/02/2015 14:43

How many lessons a week will he have? A GCSE is not designed to be a 2 year course and my guess is that your DC will have to do a lot of independent work to get a decent grade. Prior knowledge of French will be helpful but to get an A grade in what will technically be less than 2 years will be a lot of work.

Swipe left for the next trending thread