Shouting teacher....

It is not up to governors to get involved with individual teachers' performance. If there is a problem with this teacher then SLT need to deal with it - if he can be heard this loudly regularly and it's deemed a problem then I'm sure they will act. If students are affected then parents can raise it with SLT or even Ofsted.

If he teaches literature or history I can quite imagine he might raise his voice for dramatic effect at times - doing a bit of a Brian Blessed, as a pp said.

I was at school when teachers still threw board rubbers. Always added a bit of excitement to the class when that happened and no-one was traumatised.

Wind 'em up, watch 'em go.

What would I feel/do if I were in my child's school and I heard a teacher that my child really liked shouting?

a) I wouldn't be in my child's school, nothing worse than those dreadful parents who "volunteer" or shoehorn their way in any which way in order to nose, and then criticise.

b) I'd think "oh, that sounds like Mr X, who DS really loves. He must have a really good relationship with my child, what with my child being a lovely studious type, and what with poor Mr X having to pu up with the kind of teenage tantrum he's obviously having to put up with right now

c) I'd think "pah, some parents, can't even bring their kids up to behave in class"

d) I would never involve school governors in anything. Ever. I don't want some wannabe deciding my child's education. I prefer to leave it to professionals who've had years of training, not Mrs Bored Housewife 1949.

Is that really the only response you have considering all the points that have been raised in answer to your op?

Oh for goodness sake! He was shouting. BIG DEAL!!!!

Kids need to live in the real world. In the real world, they will end up in a work environment with a shouty boss/team leader/etc at some point.

Typical school governor - thinks they know better how to teach/control a class than the teacher does.

Is suggest you take a class for the day and see how you get on?

What do you teach Violetta and what age/type of school? Just curious - have you never raised your voice?

Yes I am a teacher. Yes bad classroom control does not equal bad teaching. The teacher in question probably just needs more support/training

It can show a lack of control, Violetta, if it is used all the time. The question is, why there is a lack of control. People are very quick to say lack of control equals bad teacher. But lack of control is often at least partly due to ... uncontrollable kids, lack of support from senior management, poor sanctions policy, poor parental support and poor example set by parents, plus of course the kids' knowledge that there is not that much the teacher or school can actually do about bad behaviour. (Yeah - like I'm going to turn up to detention! etc)

Are you a teacher Violetta?

Shouting shows a lack of control. It's a poor discipline method for everyone.

Some teachers are just loud.

I had a history teacher whou bellowed everything at ear ringing volume. The more interesting/exciting the topic, the louder he got.

It didn't matter whether we were silent or chatty, that man was incapable of using a normal speaking voice.

He was lovely. No one was afraid of him, though visitors were frequently alarmed, and he was one one the most popular and respected teachers I have ever come across.

Come to think of it, my daughter's clarinet teacher also struggles with volume control, and is very enthusiastic. Hearing 'NO NO NO, UP, UP....YEEEESSSS!' Echoing down the corridor leaves all the waiting parents like this

Thanks Curly. Yes, it is sad. Teaching in state secondaries was always a hard job, but it felt worth it, and enjoyable in spite of behaviour issues etc. But slowly the job has changed. Instead of trying to support teachers in their efforts to educate and look after young people (which is, after all, what we go into the job for - why else would anyone do it? ) governments just continue to heap pressure on, constantly and pointlessly move the goalposts and demonise teachers by implying that it is entirely their fault when absurd targets are not always met. Thereby burying their heads in the sand about the real truth - that it is only social change that will really have much effect on the performance of failing schools. That and removing unnecessary admin and data - production which currently take up a ridiculous amount of teachers' time.

I know I sound old-fashioned and I know I have departed from the point of the thread, but I remember when teaching was just.... teaching, planning, marking and pastoral care. It has turned into jumping through hoops and data management... spending more time proving what you do than actually doing it. Schools and politicians have lost sight of education actually is. Apologies - rant over.

I agree with Curly on P1 and then most of the P2 posters.
You've said - "he's incredibly enthusiastic and popular teacher"
You've said - the child you were with grinned, and said he's off on one again.

Clearly he's not intimidating or scaring the children, he just has a style that is different from yours, or what you'd like.

Sounds a bit like Brian Blessed to me - he's done alright with a fair bit of shouting hasn't he ?

Quite. What you are referring to is to prevent discussion of school matters with people who have an interest in what goes on there such as other teachers, parents, journalists, or even children. It is not designed to prevent people having a general discussion on a forum. We don't know who the op is talking about or what school and it I s certainly not a matter that is being discussed by the Governing Body. It is simply a discussion about whether teachers should shout at pupils.

Holmes, how sad that you want to leave. You're just the type of person that education so desperately needs.

Bit over the top there, Quite. There has been no hint whatsoever of which school it could be, no name of teacher, by the OP.

Shouting/raising your voice does really work if you don't use it very often. I used to have a fantastic reverb corridor outside my room and I once had to take to task a young man who had ruined someone's violin lesson by running through the room and banging on the door. I sent for said lad, and outside the classroom completely turned on the angry voice, complete with varied tones, (love a bit of am-dram) and pupil (fairly notorious) never crossed me again, my class were wetting themselves with laughter as they were listening at the door, they'd realised I was trying not to laugh as I had taken the odd sip of tea if I felt I was going to crack. Controlled is fine, uncontrolled is not also this was at one pupil who I knew wasn't volatile and it was best to send a strong message to. There are pupils I wouldn't have dreamed doing that to for very varied reasons. The vast majority of staff realise this is an effective tool in your classroom management arsenal, but only in certain situations and only with certain students.

Essentially, it would be lovely if no teachers ever needed to shout. But sometimes it is effective and other times they are simply driven to it! Get rid of all teachers who shout and you won't have many left! It is like saying that parents should never raise their voice to their children. Sounds lovely in theory, but not many of us could claim that we deal with every single parenting situation with utter calm and serenity.

Anyway, I'm one of the thousands leaving the profession. It was my vocation. Chose it when I was 12. Never wanted to do anything else. Atm I would rather be stacking shelves than teaching in a state secondary.

What were you doing though? You wanted to know if this was worrying. Plenty of posters have given reasons why it's not. You don't seem (to want to be) convinced. So what outcome are you hoping for?