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St Paul's Girls' School spgs

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Oceanicflight815 · 29/01/2015 09:43

I'm getting really tired of reading the negative comments about SPGS on here. I have a dd there and we think the school is fantastic. When we were faced with making choices after the 11+, I was so worried about all the hearsay that I seriously considered not accepting the offer. How was my normal, sporty dd going to cope with robotic, hot-housed, ultra-competitive, over-tutored, super-indulged, bitchy girls who wear obscenely short shorts? I'm so happy now that we gave it a chance.

"Well I never wanted my dd to go there", is a comment that offer holders will hear many times from people whose dd has missed the cut, even though you know that prior to the 11+, they would have sold their soul for a place. Naive people like me eventually work out that the negative comments are just the bitter taste of sour grapes.

My dd went to a school that prepared the children for the 11+ but there was no tutoring except for some who were struggling. As a poster has recently written, the school watches your child from the first day they walk in the door. They have test scores stretching for years. They know exactly what is going on and there is no way the Head will jeapordise their relationship with any of the secondary schools by recommending a child they feel is not right for that school. If it helps you to believe that my child spent all her young years being tutored, fine, but you are wrong with her and also for the huge majority of SPGS girls. They are genuinely clever girls. I understand the need to tutor if you are not coming from a private school. However, if you are at a prep school and are tutoring in the hope getting a place, you are making a serious mistake. Your dd will be happier at a different school. There are girls who make it through thanks to a tutor and they do struggle. Equally, you can dismiss the idea that prep schools over prepare the kids. If that was the case, they'd all be at spgs but they are not.

We live in West London and so we know classmates and friends' children at virtually every school here. There is absolutely no difference in the amount of homework my dd brings home compared to any of them. Content yes, amount no. Hot-housing clearly not. You need to let go of that myth too. There is plenty of time for clubs, after school activities, meeting friends, or just lying around watching television.

I find it insulting that my lovely dd is branded as robotic. She is a wonderful girl and I can't see anything in her personality that you would describe as robotic. I know all the girls in her tutor group and they are all really lovely girls that you be very proud to call your own. There was a bitchy super competive girl at her prep and that girl was not offered a place at spgs even though academically she would have been fine. I suspect that these sort of girls are being weeded out at interview. The girls at spgs seem to be confident in their own abilities. They are content within themselves. They know that they all got into the school for a reason and there is no need to prove their superiority to anyone. They are just friends.

Pushy parents, sure. No doubt I'm one. Unfortunately, you have to be in a West London. I do want what is best for my children. I want them to reach their potential. And I know the parents at my prep were the same as me and their children went to a whole range of schools so you've got the same parents at every school.

As for short shorts, that's just an additional ridiculous argument against the school. yes, there are a few. I see the girls are nearby schools rolling their skirts up. They are all teenagers. A poster suggested you stand outside the school gates and see the skimpy outfits worn by spgs girl. instead, you will see jeans, hoodies, and leggings. Half of them are in their sports kit. And they do have a really nice (but expensive) sports kit.

Yes of course there will be issues but they are the same issues as all schools around here face. If you are stressed and over anxious, it would not have mattered if you went to spgs, g&l, Lu, leh, fh, nh, clsh, nlc etc. All these schools and many more are great schools who are aiming at good results. Sex, drugs, fingers crossed yet to go there, but any story told to you third hand about spgs will apply to any school. I've got a ds elsewhere and all I can say about pastoral care is that it is far superior at spgs, as is their communication with parents and opportunities for parental involvement.

So good luck to you with your upcoming offers. Accept spgs if you feel it is right for your dd. Accept leh if that is, especially if you live near it. Keep the commute in mind, it is really important. They are all great schools around here. Ignore all the sour grapes, not just about spgs but about whichever school you choose. And if you were desperate for an offer from school but miss out, be happy for those that got in. It's ok to be disappointed. Feel sad and then make the best of what is offered. Congratulate your child, they did a great job in a very tough and stressful situation. I wish them nothing but the very best.

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smischa · 29/01/2015 15:32

No, the post was weird and incredibly defensive, arguing back before the argument actually started.

areyoutheregoditsmemargaret · 29/01/2015 15:30

It does give me the (unintentional) impression that SPGS parents are somewhat paranoid sensitive people.

farewelltoarms · 29/01/2015 15:28

Perhaps mine? Evidently proving my sour grapes and bitterness...

smischa · 29/01/2015 15:25

MN164, which posts proves op's points? People are expressing their opinions or is everyone just supposed to agree with posts, I didn't realise that that was how debates worked.

MN164 · 29/01/2015 14:49

I prefer to focus on substance, not form.

Feel free to post what and how you like here. It's a public forum, subject to sensible moderation.

fleurdelacourt · 29/01/2015 14:48

I could have posted something similar about my dc's prep school - but to be honest I just sucked it up and was happy with my choice. To have come on here and written such an long, angry defence of the school is just.... odd.

OP - a word of warning though. there is no smoke without fire. Although I spent years declaring that the school we chose wasn't a pushy hothouse, I am now finding out (as dc enter the crunch 11+ preparation years) that in fact it is.

HermioneWeasley · 29/01/2015 14:40

MN164 I could understand a short post along the lines of "we were warned x,y and z about SPGS, but have found it not to be the case and DD is thriving there. Just thought I'd share in case others were being put off by a really under served reputation".

That is not what we were treated to.

MN164 · 29/01/2015 14:20

Great responses proving the OP's point.

I wish more people shared experiences of their children's schools instead of commenting on schools they don't have children at.

I don't care why OP posted, I think it's genuinely useful to prospective parents.

farewelltoarms · 29/01/2015 14:13

You love your child's school. It's very prestigious, sought after and gets amazing results.

Really, why would you write such a load of defensive spiel about it if you're so happy?

You really don't do yourself or the school any favours.

smischa · 29/01/2015 13:49

Seriously op how can you get so worked up about that?! No one has attacked you or your daughter personally. I think lots of mothers become so obsessed about their precious offspring that they lose a sense of perspective. All schools have good and bad but I also believe that there is no smoke without fire.
My daughter chose LEH over St. Paul's, primarily because of the space, having a less urban feel etc. The journey time was also a massive factor for us. I liked the school but must admit I preferred LEH. My daughter has said that when it comes to galas and sports fixtures that they hate playing St. Paul's because 'they love themselves'. She also says that they are the only school that don't mix and talk to the girls when they have fixtures. She is 12, make of that what you will but I find that really quite sad. I can assure you, I'm certainly not bitter or jealous and perhaps that statement by yourself in itself exudes a level of superiority or even perceived superiority on your part.

HermioneWeasley · 29/01/2015 12:57

Not entirely sure why this bothers you so much that you would post an epic rant to strangers on t'interweb about it? Do you get this worked up about every life choice you've made that other people might not agree with?

grovel · 29/01/2015 12:53

Indeed, Indrid. I hear/read so much nonsense about Eton. People seem to forget that it's just a school and is populated by 1300 boys who eat, sleep, burp, fart and are often disorganised. Just like all other adolescents.

IndridCold · 29/01/2015 12:43

OP - multiply what you have said by 10, and then you will know what it's like having a DS at Eton Grin.

victimofjealousy · 29/01/2015 12:07

OP I understand your frustration if your daughter is a naturally bright and happy Paulina. On the other hand, you must agree that the school does imbue a certain sense of superiority in many of its pupils. Always has, always will - and don't start me on the boys school. I was at a party recently with lots of teenagers from London indies. They mixed really well, except for the kids from SP and SPGS who went off in a huddle together despite the fact some of them had never met before. This did not go unnoticed by the others. Having said this, it may not either apply to your DD or bother you if it does. Although there are plenty of examples of sour grapes on this site, there are also many people like me, who have visited the school and don't like its ethos.

amidaiwish · 29/01/2015 11:22

can i just say that i seriously considered SPGS for DD1. I didn't apply in the end as it would have been an hour on the 33 bus and then a 15 minute walk which i felt was just way too much. I hadn't been put off by any comments on here, sure i had read about the "short shorts" but it was no more insulting than the comments about LEH and their scruffy uniform. By the way i absolutely ADORE the SPGS sports kit when i saw it in our local uniform shop! We are blessed with amazing schools in SW/W London. It is a hard decision to choose a school hence why we all come on here, but please don't think we take comments with anything but a pinch of salt. DD has an offer from SHS and KGS, since the rejection letters came out i am hearing a lot of negativity about both schools and a lot of bigging up our state (albeit fantastic) secondaries. Funny that. Don't take it to heart. Good to hear your DD is thriving. I think mine would have to, just wish we lived in Barnes!

HereIAm20 · 29/01/2015 10:49

Well said OP. This doesn't directly relate to me but there is a similar school locally branded as a hothouse! As you say usually by those who would have given their right arm for the child to go there but weren't successful in securing a place. The children were selected on their ability but are just normal children and the school is doing what they should do for children selected on the basis of their academic ability.

PoppyAmex · 29/01/2015 09:51

As a mother of two toddlers in Scotland with absolutely no agenda or vested interest in the matter, please let me point out that referring to a school girl as "bitchy" is revolting.

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