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what else has gone wrong at Westminister (branching off from Westminster Maths thread)

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boys3 · 19/01/2015 19:21

A separate thread so as not to detract from the maths focus on the original thread.

The answer to the question posed in the title would appear to be "absolutely nothing" as far as the most recent available stats are concerned.

However Summerends cheeky request will be provided below shortly.

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Draylon · 19/01/2015 21:31

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summerends · 19/01/2015 20:50

I would award boys3 an honorary Oxbridge postgraduate mumsnet degree not only for achievement but also problem solving. Probably deserves several Wine after that.

Needmoresleep · 19/01/2015 20:13

Wow. Impressive boys3. Summerends' cheek is also impressive. I hope the children have now been fed.

What about adding the numbers going instead to top US Universities? 20-25 per year in the case of W.... No I am only joking. You have done enough. I hope Oxford admissions tutors don't read MN, otherwise next year's applicants could face some tough interviews.

summerends · 19/01/2015 20:01

That is truly impressive and probably could be sold to one of the tabloid newspapers. Now all you need is percentage of the cohort from each school applying Wink

boys3 · 19/01/2015 19:39

summer really not a problem, and it was actually quite straightforward, although DoE need to use the UCAS school identifier code in their datasets , or all the schools calling themselves King Edward VI need, with just one exception, to change their names Grin

I really had no idea just how many DCs apply and are successful from some schools - albeit a very small minority of the total. What a sheltered life I must lead :).

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boys3 · 19/01/2015 19:34

summer as they say shy bairns get nowt, so was definitely worth suggesting. The DCs still at home may have been left to go hungry but sometimes one just has to prioritise :)

Here's a rough and ready cut on applications and assessment of success compared with cohort (Y13) size.

Cohort size data taken from DoE 2013 performance tables for KS5, specifically the number of academic students at the end of KS5 study – which covers IB, Pre-U etc, not just A level. The Oxbridge data is from the 2013 cycle so whilst several pinches of salt still recommended hopefully the figures have a reasonable degree of accuracy.

No figures available on DoE site for three schools listed in the original Westminster thread (one each from Wales, Scotland and Ni respectively), and for a fourth (Lycee Francais) the DoE figure was lower than the number of applicants reported by Ox and Cam (??? – must be a conspiracy theory opportunity there somewhere) , so that leaves 103 schools – 50 independents and 53 from the state sector, with 7379 and 23874 students, 3420 and 3041 applications, and 1275 and 927 successes respectively. Indies 37.3% application success rate, and state 30.5%. Against overall cohort size Indies 17.3% and state 3.9% success.

The number of acceptances have been divided by the cohort information. Bearing in mind the saltiness aspect I’ve put the results into 5 % bandings as shown below. For each band there is the number of schools, indie:state split, DoE reported student number, Oxbridge applications and accepts, the weighted success rate against the full cohort, and the listing of schools in that banding. As before an * after the school name indicates that it is independent rather than state.

45% - 50% of cohort with successful applications

1 school, Westminster*, 45.2%

40% to 45% - none

35% to 40%

2 schools, 2 indie, 0 state, 241, 174, 89 weighted average 36.9%, Magdalen College School, North London Collegiate

30% to 35%

6 schools, 6 indie, 0 state, 924, 727, 297 weighted average 32.1%, St Pauls Girls, St Pauls, Wycombe Abbey, Eton, Winchester, King’s Wimbledon

25% to 30%

3 schools, 3 indie 0 state, 384, 211, 101, weighted average 26.3%, Habs Aske’s Boys, Oxford HS, RGS Guildford*

20% to 25%

6 Schools, 5 indie : 1 state, 652, 349, 139 , weighted average 21.3%, QE Barnet, CoL Girls, Kings Edwards Egbaston, Hab Aske’s Girls, Guildford HS, Perse School*

15% to 20%

13 schools, 8 indie : 5 state, 2025, 935, 350, weighted average 17.3%, Tiffin Girls, Tonbridge, Sevenoaks, Latymer, Cheltenham Ladies, CoL Boys, James Allens, Pate’s, Henrietta Barnett, Godolphin & Latymer, Hampton, Latymer, Colchester RGS

10% to 15%

25 schools, 13 indie : 12 state, 4032, 1419, 491, weighted average 12.2%, Wilson’s, Harrow, St Olaves, Manchester Grammar, Dame Alice Owen, Merchant Taylor’s (Northwood), Headington, Reading School, Dr Challoners GS, Norwich School , Judd School, RGS Newcastle, King Edward V1 Camp Hill, Brighton College, Canford, Tiffin Boys, Concord College, Altrincham Girls GS, Kings Canterbury, Lancaster RGS, Simon Langton School, Sutton Grammar, Charterhouse, Dulwich College, Whitgift* (Bold format not intended, Judd is state, and RGS Newcastle indie)

5 to 10%

18 schools, 10 indie: 8 state, 3610, 936, 273, weighted average 7.6%, Abingdon, Bancrofts, Watford GS Girls, Devonport HS Boys, Kendrick School, Alleyn’s, King Edward VI GS Chelmsford, Benenden, Rugby, Loughborough GS, Wellington College, Camden School Girls, Uppingham, Christ’s Hospital, Royal Latin School, Hils Road 6th Form College, Altrincham GS Boys, Grammar School at Leeds

0.1% to 5%

29 schools, 2 indie : 27 state, 19197, 1541, 377, weighted average 2.0%, Dr Challoner’s Girls, Epsom College, Bromsgrove School, Newstead Wood, Graveney, RGS Bucks, King Edward VI Five Ways, Aylesbury GS, Greenhead College, Peter Symonds, George Abbot, Hereford 6th Form, Woodhouse College, Esher College, Loreto College, Brighton 6th Form college, Exeter College, Truro & Penwith College, 6th Form College Farnborough, King Edward VI College Stourbridge, Richard Huish College, Brockenhurst College, Collyer’s, Runshaw College, Winstanley College, Wyggeston College, Shrewsbury 6th Form College, Cardinal Newman College, Bilborough College

For anyone not familiar with the original thread the above selections are driven by schools which has at least 15 application to Oxford and to Cambridge (eg a minimum of 30 applications in total). There's a bit more data in terms of success rates in terms of just those who applied by school in the last thread. Which can be copied into this thread if needed.

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summerends · 19/01/2015 19:31

boys Blush and Flowers.