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West London Free Secondary... we're probably going to leave...

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DaintyDish · 19/01/2015 18:57

Anyone else want to share their experiences, good and bad, to try and talk us out of moving DD? The bullying is a huge issue. The teachers are a mess. The changes are non-stop. Some kids love it, others can't stand it. DD used to be so happy there but this year has just been a total wash out. New head, new teachers (who cannot control the classroom and are, by all accounts, boring her to tears). She was so applied and excited last year. But she can't concentrate in class on account of all the jokers. She gets hassled all the time. She cries every day. :-(

Words o' widsom, anyone?

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HarveySchlumpfenburger · 27/08/2016 22:59

In Music and Art, for instance, 100 per cent got 5A–C, as did those pupils who took Biology, Chemistry and Physics as separate subjects.*

So essentially 100% of high attaining students in science got above a C grade in science? That's not particularly surprising. What proportion of the entire cohort is that and what was the attainment on entry of the cohort.

I could be wrong, but that science statistic is the sort of stat that gets used when you are trying to hide results somewhere else. I think it's a bit early to be saying they are great results for the school. IIRC the current year 11 had a very very high attainment profile on entry, so it's possible those results aren't as good as they look. I think they needed about 85% in English to make expected progress, slightly less in maths.

Starlight77 · 27/08/2016 19:17

Great result for WLFS...well done!! My ds attends Hammersmith Academy and we received an email informing us about their first GCSE results and they too are similar. Infact the A-C % in Eng. Lit is 82% ! Its good to know that good results are down to hard work by teachers and students no matter if its a fee paying or a free school.

ingok · 25/08/2016 18:15

Finally some data and overall it is good news!! the West London Free School, has posted its first set of GCSE results this year and they are good. 76% of pupils got 5A–C. The school did well at the top end, with 37% of all GCSEs being marked A or A. The pupils performed particularly well in Maths, Science, Art, Music and Religious Education. In Music and Art, for instance, 100 per cent got 5A–C, as did those pupils who took Biology, Chemistry and Physics as separate subjects. In Maths, 85% got 5A–C, while in English Literature it was 78%.

Blueberry14 · 04/12/2015 15:00

I'm a parent of year 8 girl, and have no agenda except to share my view on wlfs secondary school. I was so stressed when having to apply for schools a few years ago. We looked at usual local options, HA, Chiswick, and WLFS, Holland Pk (long shot), and private. I was looking at mumsnet a lot during this time, reading every single different opinion... very confused.

So here's my view, but each child is different so this may be helpful or not.

DD got offers at private schools (v.reluctant to do that). Art would have been good at Holland Park. But for her, HP would be far too serious, slick and corporate, even if academic grades are good, I don't think it's much fun there as a pupil.

Had concerns about WLFS because it was a risk and unknown, but since she started last year, we are very pleased with it. With all its teething growing pains, she's def in the right school for her, and pleased that my younger, very different and more sporty child will be joining her in a few years. We also really like the Headmaster, and think he has made strong positive changes, as well as being an approachable, likeable man. Can't have been an easy job to go into... and he seems settled and leading in right direction. They set high standards, and communicate well. Only been a few comms issues, but they deal with it. I feel like I'm informed, and can email questions or concerns if needed.

The small buildings was actually an advantage to my year 7 child moving to bigger secondary school. She liked Cambridge grove building, and is now in Pallingswick house. I don't think the buildings have been a problem and next year will be different and better.

WLFS, for all it's faults, is great and we are very pleased she eventually got in (we were on the waiting list for a few months even though we live nearby). My child has made really great new friends, studies hard, and wants to do well. She's doing well academically, and progressed. Teachers seem good, dedicated, and haven't had any mid term changes. There were a few teachers last year who weren't so good, but they didn't last for long thankfully, which is a great sign that the school will manage the teachers. She hasn't got any teachers now that seem to be poor, that's not to say she likes them all. They seem to be stricter in year 8, and she's not keen on that, but her grades are progressing.

She doesn't complain about disruption, any more than her outstanding state primary school. Of course there are some naughty kids, but you could get that anywhere, and they seem to be tougher on discipline now with a new system. This was also discussed at PSA, and parent gov meet. Some parents think its gone too far now (personally it hasn't affected us).

She's not sporty at all, but really enjoys music piano lessons and bands and is more confident with singing out loud. She's has a reserved personality and the small friendly school suits her.

We went to watch the Sweeney Todd production. So impressed and incredibly high standard, and it felt like a performing arts school with lots of talented kids, not all music scholars.

Very encouraged with majority of children staying on for new 6th form. They must have looked around other schools, and decided to stay at WLFS. This will also bring in more experienced teachers teaching A levels.

She loves art, and has really taken to classics (including latin). I was worried that there wasn't going to be much Art, and it would be too theoretical art history. However, I see her enjoying and learning about Art history and getting so much out of it. The Art teacher is really great, and looks like Art is going to get stronger. She's also likes the Classics...Completely new to her, and we were very cynical about it before she joined. But now that I see her enjoying the learning, (more the Classics history more than the language).I'm pleased that she likes it. Anyway lots other local schools teach Latin, so don't think much different if she gone elsewhere.

Lots of active and engaged parents at PSA and Parent gov meetings which is a good sign that the school will be challenged and can't get complacent. Good changes that seemed well thought out, and considered... although perhaps a bit different to usual convention, which is fine if it makes sense. One of reason why I liked WLFS, is because I thought our state primary (even though outstanding), was too relaxed with stretching bright kids, and not encouraging them to aspire higher. So I don't mind if WLFS changes the system... about time to shake things up, and offer alternatives.
I would recommend it, but obviously it depends on child and what parent wants. I think it is under such scrutiny and certainly is not popular with everyone. They do try to improve things, and therefore have to make changes and do things a bit differently.

Hope this helps someone out there, but it's just my personal view. I'm sure there are many other different perspectives on WLFS.

Aquadoodle · 27/04/2015 23:11

Bump for more opinions.
I've heard some extremely worrying things about the school as well.

theintrepidfox · 05/02/2015 22:21

Hi Giraffe - sorry for the late reply to your question: we decided to scrape / borrow money and go for independent schools. Which is going to be difficult but sadly we saw no viable alternative. Of course if you don't mind traveling a little further there are state alternatives.

It's a shame about WLFS because we had high hopes and were promised a music scholarship after the "aptitude test" last year. The pupils we met there were really nice, but a degree of dis-organisation / mild chaos was already visible. This impression has been reinforced by several parents' accounts since. To be fair: we also heard good things and know of some very happy children there, but IMV even isolated incidences of bullying without adequate reaction by the school leave enough doubt to reconsider.

PeaStalks · 31/01/2015 17:30

Interesting to look at that website and the teaching staff. Lots of highly qualified people but not all qualified teachers. What stands out to me is they are all so young. Lack of experienced teachers to mentor newer ones. Discipline is often a problem with NQTs.

Bullying and disruption do not happen at any school. Only where they are allowed. But they all learn Latin so it must be good Hmm.

Icimoi · 31/01/2015 16:55

I wouldn't touch WLFS with a bargepole. I know a number of very dissatisfied parents. The fact that it's had so many staff changes indicates that there is something very wrong with it, and there is a concern that many of the staff seem to be seriously inexperienced and just not up to scratch.

MothershipG · 31/01/2015 08:45

The oldest year group is currently Yr10.

I know when they started they were very hot on discipline, it's a shame if they've let it get so bad.

I applied for WLFS for my DD who is also in Yr8 but we didn't get a place, she goes to EPHS and is doing very well there, although both my DC do complain about the annoyance of low level disruption, they are both quite happy there.

What are your alternative schools, OP?

LikeMumUsedToMake · 31/01/2015 08:33

Have WLFS now got a Y11? We hear rumours of people leaving. Are the older year groups smaller due to this or do they take people in part way through the school?

Alsoflamingo · 28/01/2015 11:08

OP I am really sorry to hear that. I agree with other posters that bullying shouldn't be a given and naturally happens anywhere. Or, if it does, I think the key is how the school deals with it. I was considering WLFS for my DD too, but have changed my mind recently for various reasons. One thing I was particularly horrified by was seeing Toby Young's article in favour of Page 3 the other day (in The Spectator). Anyway, just wanted to offer sympathy. I would definitely be looking at alternative schools in your shoes.

Teabaglady · 27/01/2015 23:18

It seems odd that the OP is asking us to try and talk her out of moving her child from WLFS - it's not us you should be talking to but to the school. You should be raising these issues with the form tutor, HOY, Headteacher and Governors. That's certainly partly what we have done regarding problems at my child's school. What do other parents think? Certainly from what I have heard, WLFS has had issues but it also has very vocal parents who have raised issues and the school has then taken some action to try and deal with problems. Maybe it is easier for a newer school to make changes if one approach is not working and more difficult in more established schools where approaches are more set in stone.
I would have thought that if you can raise the issues with the school with a group of other Year 8parents, you might have more influence. If you are not happy with their responses then move - not so easy however to do in that area whether going state or private.

superram · 27/01/2015 19:11

It depends on an alternative. Which school would you move her to? Not many outstanding London schools have places.

Giraffe44 · 27/01/2015 19:08

Intrepidfox which school out of interest did you go for? We live locally too and also have heard some worrying things about the free school and wondering what good options there are...

PrintScreen · 26/01/2015 22:11

Is there a known issue with bullying? Is the new Head no good?

Such a shame. We live locally and had only heard from happy parents so far.

theintrepidfox · 25/01/2015 22:02

OP: if your DD cries every day, take her out as soon as you can, even if she misses some school time! And don't let anyone tell you it's her fault or the problem will follow her, that's defeatist. I was bullied at school and cried until my mum finally agreed to send me to another school where I was very happy. Bullying is serious and if the school can't deal with it effectively, vote with your feet! We live near WLFS and also considered it (past tense) but heard similar stories and changed our mind.

SignoraLiviaBurlando · 20/01/2015 11:06

Yes - whom have you discussed this with at the school? You may well find that you find a Y8 place for your DD elswhere and the problems travel with her...

areyoutheregoditsmemargaret · 20/01/2015 10:06

OP, have you discussed these very serious concerns with staff/the head/governors? And discovered if they have a plan of action?

chilephilly · 20/01/2015 05:45

Depends on who gives the Outstanding judgement. Remember free schools are not inspected with the rigour that LA schools are. Not to mention the fact that it's nigh on impossible to be judged Outstanding by OFSTED without some knowledge of pedagogy, which you would get through teacher training.

TeaAndALemonTart · 19/01/2015 22:24

The job description asks for outstanding teaching record and outcomes. I would rather have that than an NQT, even if the first candidate isn't qualified.

TalkinPeace · 19/01/2015 22:15

Look at the job descriptions.
No mention of a teaching qualification.

titchy · 19/01/2015 22:08

Not sure that having two teaching vacancies means anything talkin!

TalkinPeace · 19/01/2015 21:39

www.westlondonfreeschool.co.uk/vacancies.html

chilephilly · 19/01/2015 21:27

Of course it's a mess. It's being run by people who do not know how to teach or how to run a school. How could it not be a mess?

DaintyDish · 19/01/2015 21:15

WLFS parents are notoriously quiet. You get people who will debate the whole Free School concept, but it's not easy getting info about the school... even for the likes of me and we've been there knocking on two years.

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