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The most Socially Selective schools in England.

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smokepole · 31/12/2014 21:46

Here is a list of the most socially selective state schools in England , total no of pupils entitled to free school meals over the last six years. Dept Of Education Characteristics

  1. Cranbrook School Kent 5
  2. Borlase Grammar Bucks 5
  3. Bishop Words Wilts 7
  4. Pate's Grammar Gloucs 8
  5. Colchester Royal Essex 10
  6. Caistor Grammar Lincs 10
  7. King Edward Louth Lincs 10
  8. Adams Grammar Shrop 11
  9. Colchester High Essex 12
  10. Kendrick Grammar Berks 12
  11. Dr Challinor High Bucks 12
12. Alyesbury Gram Bucks 13 12. Beaconsfield High Bucks 13 12. Newport High Shrop 13 15. Stratford Gram Warks 14 15.Skinners Sch Kent 14 17.Chelmsford High Essex 15 17. Judd Sch Kent 15 17. St Olaves Kent 15 20. Alcester Gram Warks 16 21. Tonbridge Gram Kent 17 22. Kegs Chelms Essex 19 22. Lancaster Girls Lancs 19 24. Skipton High Yorks 20 24. Tunbridge W Gir Kent 20 26 Hockerill Anglo Essex 21 27. Ripon Gram Yorks 22 27. Ermysteds Yorks 22 29. Altrincham Boys Ches 23 30. St Bernards Slough Berks 24
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TalkinPeace · 31/12/2014 23:41

Smokepole
I find your obsessive interest for schools outside your area fascinating.
I track schools in the areas where DH works.

Raw numbers of FSM pupils at a school mean nothing without knowledge of the LEA RESIDENT average
as particularly in London and Manchester, cross LEA traffic of pupils distorts massively between area / school results

antimatter · 31/12/2014 23:36

If OP posts link to where that list came from I am sure the rest of schools will be there.

HainaultViaNewburyPark · 31/12/2014 23:35

My mother left school at 15 and worked as an office junior. My dad left at 18 and became an engineer via an apprenticeship. Neither of them went to university.

TalkinPeace · 31/12/2014 23:30

hainault
Had either of your parents been in education beyond 18?
as that is the definition of widening participation for education purposes
and and areas in which all of the schools I listed are utter fails

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smokepole · 31/12/2014 23:30

Wallington High 53 Pupils Sorry...

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meditrina · 31/12/2014 23:30

This Independent article from earlier this year says The Oratory has FSM rate of 6% when typical level across secondary schools in that area up is about 1/3.

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smokepole · 31/12/2014 23:29

Talkinpeace. : Wallington High 70 Pupils Wallington Grammar 70 Colyton 32 pupils London Oratory 89 Sutton Grammar 36 Pupils Tiffin Girls 26 Boys 46

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HainaultViaNewburyPark · 31/12/2014 23:27

I went to one of those schools many years ago (1987-1994). I got a place despite being outside the catchment area. I had free school meals for some of my school years.

I have a degree (Oxbridge) and a PhD. I'm a higher rate tax payer. DD and DS go to private school. My grammar school education opened doors for me.

MoggyP · 31/12/2014 23:26

Tiffin Girls has just opened consultation about changes to admission (from 2016 onwards) that will give some priority to FSM/PP applicants, and introduces an inner priority area based on wards reflecting typical local poverty levels. Stated aim is to increase number of local pupils and number from relatively deprived backgrounds.

peteneras · 31/12/2014 23:25

That was true some 30 years ago. When did you last visit Slough? I was there just two weeks ago. Very impressed, tbh.

TalkinPeace · 31/12/2014 23:17

How many Free School meals at Tiffin girls and boys?
How many at London Oratory?
And at Wallington?
And at Colyton?

just that they are some of the biggest State schools

handcream · 31/12/2014 23:17

Slough is run down, ugly and depressing to visit.

moonrocket · 31/12/2014 23:11

BHam average FSM- 34% (that's FSM, not Pupil premium. PP will be higher).
Previously, the grammars in Bham were

peteneras · 31/12/2014 23:10

"Slough is not a particularly nice area tbh."

What do you mean? Care to elaborate?

Theas18 · 31/12/2014 23:08

Yup smokepole maybe 10% fsm in some brum grammars - I assume after the new admissions criteria started in sept? But I guess we need then to compare with the local population average fsm.

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smokepole · 31/12/2014 22:36

I am not really saying anything , apart from showing the most socially selective state schools in terms of actual number of pupils not percentages.

Henrietta Barnett statistics show that there are/were 30 pupils entitled to FSM over the last 6 years. The lowest number for a Comprehensive I could find was 35 for Gordons School in Surrey. I know it is a "Hot topic" on this site about how exclusive and social selective some schools are . These schools are not selecting just on academic terms but on social issues.

The Birmingham Grammar schools are interesting in that some of them of over 10% FSM which is at least 4 times higher than the average for grammar schools. I think in terms of percentages all of the schools shown have less than 2% FSM.

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moonrocket · 31/12/2014 22:25

meh- x-post

moonrocket · 31/12/2014 22:25

Theas- the theory is that without the coaching which their family supposedly "could not afford", they will get a lower score than non-FSM children.
And it's 25 extra, I believe. Wink

Theas18 · 31/12/2014 22:24

Bakeoff I do hope that's what happens. The test is supposed to be un teachable but I'm sure unfair advantage comes from tutoring yep

handcream · 31/12/2014 22:23

I wish there was a grammar school in every town, here in Bucks they are just for the people who can afford the tutoring.

Iggly · 31/12/2014 22:17

How? Because they vote in the London mayoral elections and are within a London borough, that's how.

SanityClause · 31/12/2014 22:16

Orpington is in London Borough of Bromley, so technically in London.

Also, St Olaves is historically a London school. Google it.

Bakeoffcakes · 31/12/2014 22:16

Theas- it might just allow those dc who are very bright but haven't had any individual tutoring.
It's a great idea.

Camolips · 31/12/2014 22:15

Hockerill is Herts.

Mistlewoeandwhine · 31/12/2014 22:13

No because 11+ doesn't bring in the most able students but those with m/class backgrounds who can afford tutors and give their children loads of advantages.