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school refusal / prosecution

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Carbonel · 15/12/2014 11:09

Has anyone been called into a meeting at the LEA for non attendance at school?
My dd has EBSR and because it is psychological not medical (?!) it goes down as unauthorised so they are pursuing a prosecution against us.
Have been called into a meeting next week under caution and would like to know what to expect ..
Thanks

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Carbonel · 22/12/2014 19:58

I did go in the end but they refused to interview me anyway. I don't really understand the system - the school refers to the LA who then refer back to the school? Seems a mess and in the meantime no one gets any support :(

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notquiteruralbliss · 20/12/2014 22:23

One of mine effectively dropped out of school at 15. She left one school at Easter in her first year of GCSE, took a term off, did a term at a college, but didn't settle, then spent 2 tems having maybe an hour a weeks private tuition in each of the subjects she was interested in. Nobody bothered us.

Carbonel · 19/12/2014 22:29

The GP's advice was following me ending up in hospital last week. Presumably she felt it was better for my dd that I should still be around in her life for the longer term rather than going to one meeting that is most certainly not going to be the last. Fight the battles I need to win!

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2rebecca · 19/12/2014 22:05

If the OP's reaction to stressful situations is to avoid them though its not surprising her daughter has picked up on this and decided that's how you deal with stress. Avoidance is a pretty rubbish coping technique for situations that you need to deal with like schools.

skylark2 · 19/12/2014 21:17

I think the OP is saying that her GP says that she shouldn't go to the meeting because of her own mental health, not that the family shouldn't go.

I don't see why this is going to be a problem since her DH is going.

2rebecca · 19/12/2014 21:04

Why is it too stressful for you? I thought she was the one with school refusal. Is she picking up some of her anxieties from you?

Charingcrossbun · 19/12/2014 20:57

Not read all the posts but just got to the GP advising you not to go to the meeting. That is dreadful advice! By all means go to the meeting with support and if necessary stop the meeting very early on saying the school clearly has no grasp on the situation and you want another meeting when the EP/CYPS has made their assessment etc. But you should go.
As someone who works in schools I know that parents not attending meetings just gives a blank cheque where we can say we would have offered x y z but they didn't show up.
Hope that make sense, good luck op.

Carbonel · 19/12/2014 20:51

Dh is going to the meeting but it would be far too stressful for me - hence my doctor's comment. I can help better if I stay as well as possible in the circumstances.

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Carbonel · 19/12/2014 20:49

Thanks all. We have considered h.e. but talking to dd she used to enjoy school and I think she needs the social interaction so I would rather not lose her place yet. Hoping the various referrals and things work out

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2rebecca · 18/12/2014 06:16

Your child will need to have some form of education so avoiding discussing achieving that with the school seems odd.
If my child refused school I would be working with the school to try and look at ways of making school less stressful to get them there or changing school and looking at how they can learn whilst off. I would also be pushing for a child mental health referral to get the situation sorted and my child back at school asap.
The longer the child stays off school the harder it is to get them to go back.

cestlavielife · 17/12/2014 23:15

Sorry psychological is medical I meAnt physical medical.

apotatoprintinapeartree · 17/12/2014 23:14

Hello OP

This is a dreadful way to be treated, but unfortunately what the education system often does.
It must be hard enough for your child atm without having to worry about you being prosecuted.

Have you considered H.ed or are you in the position to do this for a while whilst you access the help your child requires.

It will keep the LEA off your back for a while and will no doubt improve your childs life as well.

cestlavielife · 17/12/2014 23:09

Not going to the meeting won't help you need to go and ask for lea support for your dd.

cestlavielife · 17/12/2014 23:07

Sorry this one us more comprehensive
<a class="break-all" href="http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20130401151715/education.gov.uk/publications/eorderingdownload/statutory-la-guide.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20130401151715/education.gov.uk/publications/eorderingdownload/statutory-la-guide.pdf
"Children with long term medical or emotional problems "

Basically you need to be asking lea for help including alternative educational provision and working with you and school to support dd back into education. But you do need a diagnosis of sorts. An urgent Camhs assessment could get u that help.
My dd was out of school, for nearly two years got support from lea small group provision for "vulnerable children " then local hospital school.. Now back in full time. Paed referral and Camhs assessment ticked the boxes to get the support tho her condition was medical. Not psychological in the end.

cestlavielife · 17/12/2014 22:51

If she has been off school,for more than 15 days then small group or alternative provision should be offered. But you might need a Camhs appt to get this set up. They need the paperwork.

schoolnurse · 17/12/2014 08:27

"You need a CAMHS referral"
This is the best and ultimately only way forward for you, if your GP won't make one for what ever reason (why?) ask to see another GP in your practice preferably a senior partner, ask the receptionist if someone in the practice specialises or at the least is interested in mental health, and or adolescents or ideally both if you get no joy complain, every GP practice has a complaints procedure. I'm afraid in this day and age with the very considerable financial restrictions everyone is under it's only he who shouts who gets what he wants.
If the wait is very long could you pay for a consultation? Although having said this private adolescent psychiatrists are like hens teeth, in many areas.

LambethWalk · 17/12/2014 07:03

Have you contacted Parent Partnership at your local council? They can provide information about the legal obligations that schools have to provide an education that meets your child's needs.

cestlavielife · 16/12/2014 22:59

You need a Camhs referral.
Download guidance for children with medical conditions and
reports.ofsted.gov.uk/sites/default/files/documents/surveys-and-good-practice/p/Pupils%20missing%20out%20on%20education.pdf

Look at the best practice. Ask lea who is person dealing with children with medical conditions.

MEgirl · 16/12/2014 13:48

Some schools are so heavy handed about this. We have been extremely lucky with ours. As soon as my DTs started refusing to go to school I got in touch with the Pastoral Care Manager. Eventually we had a CAMHS referral and a meeting with the school and we have had not trouble since. We once had a letter regarding attendance way back in Year 8 or 9 but even though this year's attendance (Y11) has dropped all the way down in to the 70% range at no time have the school made any threats. Would your GP be willing to write to the school stating that your child is suffering from stress or psychological issues (if that is actually the case) and that is the cause of the school refusal.

My DTs have missed controlled assessment and exams and our GP has been incredibly helpful.

Wishing you well in this battle.

juliascurr · 16/12/2014 13:45

www.youngminds.org.uk/for_parents/worried_about_your_child/school_anxiety

these people were great re dd aged 8 with same problem

good luck

JoanHickson · 16/12/2014 13:42

Have you spoken to your GP?

Alonglongway · 16/12/2014 13:38

EWOs do still exist - though some academy chains provide their own. When we were in similar situation, EWO was helpful and sympathetic and got the school to back off and be less about their stats.

What kind of school is it mand have you spoken to the local authority?

Who has a power to place you under caution btw? That sounds like EWO/similar exercising a statutory power

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