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19th century novels for GCSE English....

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Hakluyt · 23/10/2014 09:36

What do people think about this? In the new GCSE English syllabus, students will have to study a 19th Century novel. I think the choice is Great Expectations, The War of the Worlds, Jane Eyre, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde and Pride and Prejudice. (I might have missed a couple)

I suspect this is really going to stymie our school and our kids- they really need the C (or equivalent) for all sorts of things, but for the lower end of the ability range- which most of our kids are- are really going to struggle with the language.

I think studying whole books, rather than extracts is a fantastic idea, but there are so many wonderful books that are much more accessible. What's so special about the 19th century anyway?

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LadyIsabellaWrotham · 23/10/2014 17:45

I think Jekyll and Hyde, War of the Worlds and Christmas Carol are pretty simple by the standards of adult novels. I'd say they are an appropriate level to set for the lower bar of an Eng Lit GCSE - whilst upper set teachers can have a crack at Great Expectations and Austen to warm the potential A Level students up.

I was surprised to find Heart of Darkness on niminy's list - but of course it does just squeaks under the bar of C19th. I think it would be a great read for mid teens. Dracula is a cracking read for teens, because although full of dodgy sexual content.

Sunnymeg · 23/10/2014 17:42

I can't see many boys getting enthused by Jane Eyre and Pride and Prejudice. Great Expectations is fine though and one of the more accessible of Dickens' works.

Hakluyt · 23/10/2014 17:39

Sorry. Blush

But I do think Northanger Abbey would be great for GCSE for girls.

And you could probably get away just watching the film of SandS- it's pretty close to the book.......

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JeanneDeMontbaston · 23/10/2014 17:34

I wasn't being totally serious.

Hakluyt · 23/10/2014 17:32

Has anyone mentioned Vanity Fair?

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Hakluyt · 23/10/2014 17:30

Oh, not Sense and Sensibility for teenagers- they won't be able to appreciate Elinor or Alan Rickman and they'll think Marianne's wonderful..

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JeanneDeMontbaston · 23/10/2014 17:23

(I'd learn to spell fistbump first, of course.)

JeanneDeMontbaston · 23/10/2014 17:23

Fistbumb with MI.

I don't like Dickens much.

If I were choosing I'd definitely do Sense and Sensibility if I had to do Austen. And it would have absolutely nothing to do with Alan Rickman in the film, ohno.

motherinferior · 23/10/2014 17:19

And Aurora Floyd. Any novel where the heroine's first question is about whether her bet on a horse-race has succeeded gets my vote.

motherinferior · 23/10/2014 17:16

I would die of boredom having to read A Christmas Carol, personally.

I like Niminy's list. But then I think everyone should be tied down and forced to read 19th century novels till their eyes drop out, which is possibly a little illiberal of me. I might make exceptions for Dickens, whom I've never quite seen the point of.

Hakluyt · 23/10/2014 17:12

And if you're going to have an Austen-Northanger Abbey is the one to go for. My dd read it when she was 14 and having a horrible time with friends- and it cheered her up so much to realize that 'twas ever thus!

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JeanneDeMontbaston · 23/10/2014 17:08

This is making me want to do GCSE English again.

MissMillament · 23/10/2014 17:06

Jeanne -absolutely. I use extracts from Dracula with Y8 as part of a Gothic fiction scheme and, as you say, it goes down well. There is plenty to explore on all sorts of levels.
I would also love to do The Woman in White as a GCSE text.

JeanneDeMontbaston · 23/10/2014 17:01

That's a much more fun list.

And I don't know, cos I'm not a teacher, but I could see Stoker working really well on lots of levels. It can be quite simple, but there's enough there that even if you are struggling, I'd think you'd not be restricted to making really simple comments by your slow/poor reading. I think you would be with Great Expectations, maybe?

niminypiminy · 23/10/2014 16:54

Oh yes Mill on the Floss.

And Lady Audley's Secret.

MissMillament · 23/10/2014 16:39

Niminy - yes indeed. The exam boards have played it safe with a set of boring choices. I would also have included Hardy, Stoker, Robert Louis Stevenson and Wilkie Collins on the list. Also Elizabeth Gaskell - Mary Barton could work as might The Mill on the Floss (rather than Silas Marner). There are so many more interesting 19th century novels out there than the ones the exam boards went for.

niminypiminy · 23/10/2014 16:21

steamingnit yes, I agree with you about the need for a radical overhaul, and with MissMillament about the awful, imagination and curiosity-destroying Gradgrindyness of the curriculum as it's now conceived.

Just to amuse myself, I thought of a list of C19th novels I would set -- because I think the list is pretty dull actually:

Wuthering Heights (there's a book for teenagers if ever there was one)
Tess of the Durbervilles
Kidnapped and/or Treasure Island
The Nether World (grim, grim, grim tale of poverty in the East End)
Hard Times
Dracula
The Turn of the Screw
Mary Barton
The Woman in White
Heart of Darkness
The Island of Dr Moreau/The Time Machine

IMO a far better list than the unimaginative, unforgiving list dreamed up by the exam boards.

Hakluyt · 23/10/2014 16:14

I agree. A Christmas Carol is not particularly difficult.

Lots of the other books on the list are, though.

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Essexmum69 · 23/10/2014 15:50

A Christmas Carol is not particularly difficult, my 10 year old has read it. Plus a lot of the children would know the story already thanks to the muppets!
I would certainly prefer a Christmas Carol to the Lord of the Flies that I had to read many years ago.

TheOriginalSteamingNit · 23/10/2014 14:10

That said, I do think the English syllabus at GCSE and A level could do with a radical overhaul - I think the teachers do great work, have no problem with them, but it is all more limited and neither as exciting nor as exacting as I think it could/should be.

TheOriginalSteamingNit · 23/10/2014 14:09

niminy I am also an academic (or should I say I teach in a university, as per the other thread Wink), and yes, it would be great to think that some of the exciting stuff we do is available earlier and sooner. In a lot of situations, though, and especially the context the OP describes, and given the horror on some faces when we start getting queer with the old binaries, I would have to be cautious with recommending it!

MissMillament · 23/10/2014 12:59

Teaching queer theory would be fun. The problem is that due to the Gradgrindian nature of the new GCSE syllabus we do not have time to go off-piste in any way. We now have to teach two novels (or a novel and a play), a Shakespeare play and a collection of poetry for two closed-book exams which will require a very specific and limited set of responses. In addition, we have to prepare pupils for two language exams which will require a different, but equally specific and limited set of skills. We will do this with our managers breathing down our necks to ensure that all pupils reach their 'excellent progress target grades' which are plucked out of thin air by some inexplicable process and then set in stone and used to measure our performance.
In no circumstances will allowances be made for the children being, you know, human. Or that fact that despite the 5B they got in Y6,which resulted in them having an excellent progress grade of A at GCSE, their true level on entering secondary school was actully more like a 4B and the C that they are working very hard for actually represents a good outcome for them and we should be celebrating it and not making them feel like shit because there is no hope in the wide world that they will ever make an A.
As English teachers we do our absolute best to open our pupils' minds to the enjoyment of English literature, but the new syllabus allows us very little freedom to do it.

JeanneDeMontbaston · 23/10/2014 12:36

Yep, I'm with theoriginal.

I get that it could be really fun, but I don't envy teachers trying to teach that. I think it could be pretty hard.

niminypiminy · 23/10/2014 12:36

I'm not suggesting 14 year olds should tackle Eve Sedgewick! But you can introduce the ideas, can't you?

I don't know, I'm an academic not a secondary school teacher. But I find it a bit depressing to think that the exciting stuff that goes on in literary studies at degree level doesn't make it in some form into what goes on in schools.

TheOriginalSteamingNit · 23/10/2014 12:28

Maybe... but 18 year olds struggle enough with queer theory that I wouldn't want to be the one to explain it to 14 year olds!