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Kingston Grammar School

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ohtobeanonymous · 28/09/2014 10:32

Having a DD who seems keen to go to this school and being highly impressed by the website and promotional material, I was a little underwhelmed when we went to the Open Day yesterday.

Any current parents who could 'sell' it to me based on their own DDs experience? I am struggling to justify the huge fees for a school which doesn't actually seem to offer anything (other than the fact it is mixed, not single sex) more than DDs current indie (nowhere near as expensive as KGS).

Genuinely keen to get DD into the best school possible for her that we can afford, but she would need some significant scholarships to be able to go to KGS...

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tess73 · 30/09/2014 19:10

thanks countess & Shooting.
actually after an afternoon digesting i'm a bit more back onto KGS. If she will do some NVR prep and watch newsround she can sit the LEH exam just to give us til March incase we change our minds!
Interestingly on the tour we were with another family with a DD who also got the 10+ at KGS and had a brother already at KGS. They were not overly impressed by LEH. maybe i am just too superficial Grin

Shootingatpigeons · 30/09/2014 16:41

Tess Well worth finding a bit more about a school via the interview process at the same time they are finding out more about your DD. It was the interview process that switched my DD1 off SPGS and on to the school she went to and me off G&L. So that very much simplified the decision Grin

From past experience, yes it isn't so much a decision as a choice because a decision tends to be something that is rational whereas it really is important that you allow this to be a subjective decision about where you and your DD feel she will be most happy, a choice that could not have been more different for my DDs. Don't be swayed by rational things like facilities, league tables etc. With my DD2 at 16 we even went so far as to construct a decision tree on the same basis you would for a management decision with all the factors that mattered to her weighted according to how much they mattered to come up with a score for each. It may have helped her Maths at GCSE but she thankfully disregarded the school with the higher score! I seem to remember someone on here said, make the decision, then if you feel disappointed you will know it is the wrong one......

CountessDracula · 30/09/2014 14:55

I think we were very lucky in that all of us had the same gut feeling, it really helps.

CountessDracula · 30/09/2014 14:53

Absolutely - I couldn't agree more.
If I were you I would put her fwd then decide if she gets in.
We did that with Latymer as I didn't feel we had had time to get a feel for it (one open day in the freezing cold and rain, no tours).

We pretty soon did get a feel and knew it wasn't right for her socially at all.

tess73 · 30/09/2014 14:44

i know i wanted dd to come back and say no way but she said "hmm maybe". she's been very anti all girls all the time. arghhhhh

dh can't choose between them either, as he insightfully said "we can't make the right decision because there is no right decision, it is just a choice."

CountessDracula · 30/09/2014 14:35

That's interesting that it feels so different.
It was the school that really made dd's mind up about single sex vs co ed. She came out of the bit where they take the children away saying "I'm not going there or to any girls' school, it's just weird" Grin

tess73 · 30/09/2014 14:33

i felt like that last year, terrible atmosphere. it felt different today.
i actually hate the Hampton boys relationship LEH has. it is neither one thing or the other. they pitch it as best of both worlds but i actually think it is the worst combination -boys there but you can't get to know.

CountessDracula · 30/09/2014 14:32

apart from boys!

I didn't like LEH at all, it left me totally cold
Weird isn't it!?

tess73 · 30/09/2014 13:48

oops wrong thread, sorry!

tess73 · 30/09/2014 13:21

went to the LEH open morning today
now i really don't know what to do
new head seems down to earth, friendly, relaxed, great
all the girls we saw, heard, met, all perfectly fine
amazing facilities, it really does blow KGS out of the water buildings/space/facilities wise, it has everything.

Shootingatpigeons · 30/09/2014 12:29

Don't want to out my DD but yes, excellent experience of Humanities, especially History, English Lit, Philosophy, couldn't have been better:-)

But most of all of the relaxed and friendly pupils.

CountessDracula · 28/09/2014 23:46

There are prob only enough girls left for 2 netball teams after the hockey I should think - only 60 girls in a year, and in the first year you can't do it all - if you want to be in a team you have after school practice and that would mean an awful on top lot for a girl coping with transition to secondary. You can do both if you want obv.

ohtobeanonymous · 28/09/2014 21:27

Agree Tess that four hockey teams is pretty standard, but only two netball teams?

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ohtobeanonymous · 28/09/2014 21:23

Thanks Molly and Countess for reassuring me that if she gets the scholarships we need to be able to afford the fees, she is going to have the choice between two fab schools.

And she may well (apparently) be the first girl on the chess team!

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tess73 · 28/09/2014 20:54

Ohtobe, 4 hockey teams in 1st year is 44 girls! Intake is 120 I think, less than half girls, so a v high proportion in hockey teams!?

CountessDracula · 28/09/2014 20:39

Alana, it was the emphasis that appealed to me, dd only been there a few weeks so you would be better asking people with dcs higher up the school. Though they are encouraged already to research for themselves and do extra where they feel they can. Other schools we saw didn't emphasise this and indeed I know from friends with dcs there, they are not encouraged in this respect.

Anon, the sports kit is indeed fab! The lunches leave a little to be desired so I hear - am hoping the new head will do something about this (pls Mr Lehec Grin )

Speaking of him, he seems a lovely man, very down to earth like the school, not yet as impressive a speaker as Sarah Fletcher (but tbh I have not seen a head at any of the schools we visited who was, including all the "top" ones) . He is a very good fit for the school I think.

MollyFair · 28/09/2014 20:07
  • the sports options are fab higher up the school, inc pilates, Zumba, etc
MollyFair · 28/09/2014 20:05
  • the dc are encouraged to be independent in every respect
  • it's perfectly OK, indeed normal, for dds to be quirky, clever and individual
  • the extra-curricular activities are amazing from a pastoral point of view (I speak from the heart)
  • the female teaching staff are outstanding role models for the girls
  • being in the middle of Kingston adds to their ability to be streetwise and independent
  • they mix well with the Tiffin girls and boys on a social level
Pop1ns · 28/09/2014 19:43

I have been on three tours of KGS and all the guides(boys and girls) were very articulate and their brightness shone through.

tess73 · 28/09/2014 19:17

Would love to know the school your dd is at?! Sounds fab!

ohtobeanonymous · 28/09/2014 18:40

Countess, you could be describing DDS current school which is why I find it so hard to justify paying more (despite what Irisha says, a few hundred pounds a term makes a big difference with our current income and two DCs) but we are highly unlikely to be eligible for any bursary, thus the need to get good scholarships. Definitely NOT looking for a large site with loads of facilities (nor anything like LEH, SPGS, G&L which don't appeal in the slightest, not least because of the commute) ...in fact I think KGS was erring on the too-large side for us with over 800 students.

DDs own thoughts on the three things she liked best were:

  1. the lunch menu
  2. the sports kit
  3. ummmm....not sure

We went to check it out because we have friends with DDs who are also very happy there but I was just a bit underwhelmed by the Head's talk (don't actually agree that 'opportunity' is a USP) and perhaps it was because he was very tired but he seemed lacking in energy and enthusiasm a little. Very nice man, though.

Also the children chosen to speak at the Head's talk and our tour guides did not seem all that enthusiastic (who would be at school on a Saturday? ) or particularly articulate. We asked numerous straightforward questions about the school and activities, e.g numbers of children involved in the orchestras (to one of the music scholars) and they didn't really seem able to answer. Also for the number of students at the school, the numbers involved in sport teams and music groups doesn't seem to be a large proportion which makes me wonder why. For all the fab sports facilities (which are hugely impressive) there are only two netball teams and four hockey teams for girls in 1st year which seems low (certainly less than DDS current school which has fewer students overall).

Staff we spoke to were very pleasant and we got a good vibe from them.

On reflection, I think a school would have to be truly exceptional to compare favourably to DDs current school so perhaps it is less about the fact that KGS is lacking anything - it is clearly an excellent school - but I think I've concluded that DDs are in the very fortunate position of having a place which offers at least the same quality of provision for far less money!!

Sorry to be sharing the school-choice though process in public forum...really want to make the best choice for DD2.

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Alana1975 · 28/09/2014 17:10

Countess, thank you for sharing your experience with KGS. Could you please clarify how the principle of "The emphasis on independent learning and allowing the pupils to explore for themselves" is put into practice.

CountessDracula · 28/09/2014 14:46

I think Saturday one busier

tess73 · 28/09/2014 14:43

I was at the open evening on Thursday, I loved it.

CountessDracula · 28/09/2014 14:41

Oh also, because of the size of the site, open days are a nightmare. Book on to a tour, you will get a much better feel for the school