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Urgent please share! children sitting the 11+ exam Slough Consortium (Kendrick) on Saturday can cheat

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Lindy123 · 11/09/2014 12:31

This has been raised with Kendrick and Reading schools and so far the response has been "Raise a formal complaint" and "we can look at this next year"

Please share urgently!

The morning exam at Reading Boys will finish at around 11.00AM, the morning exam at Kendrick finishes at 11.30AM. The afternoon exam at Kendrick does not start until 13.00 hours with registration half an hour before at 12.30PM. This leaves a possible one and a half hours in which exam content could be distributed to friends and family and content becomes viral.
With this lack of safeguarding a boy could sit the morning exam and his twin sister could sit the afternoon exam and they would be able to have lunch together in between and share the content of the morning paper which is quite feasible as they would not be competing for the same school.

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stonecircle · 13/09/2014 10:45

Not sure if it's been mentioned but Kent children do the 11+ in school. Out of county candidates do it on a Saturday. Imagine the possibilities for 'cheating' there Hmm.

poisonedbypen · 13/09/2014 09:40

As a matter of interest, what happens with late takers for Kendrick etc? Presumably like everywhere else they use the same test as to do anything else would be expensive & (once again) not fair as a different test might be easier or harder. Also problems with standardisation. I think that's much more of a cheating issue as tutors will have had the opportunity to quiz many pupils & have a much better idea of the content. But as with the OP it would affect a tiny number so overall may well be irrelevant.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 13/09/2014 09:33

Massa is right - round here, like so much of England the grammar system is a completely alien one. I'm more concerned about the bodged changes to the national curriculum and how that will affect my dd.

MassaAttack · 13/09/2014 03:39

"This is a national story with far reaching interest."

Given most areas of the country have comprehensive systems and aren't about to regress to a tripartite one, I can't agree with that statement.

prh47bridge · 13/09/2014 02:03

You told us that Kendrick have the list. That suggests whoever gave them the list thought it was relevant. And you continue to assume that the words you have been given were correct which is by no means guaranteed.

stonecircle · 12/09/2014 19:46

Dear God. Somebody hand the OP a grip Shock

papercliplover · 12/09/2014 18:56

proved in a court of law or proved in an internal examination?

Am not familiar with the area but a google suggests that each grammar school has their own test.

Do you have to pay for your child to sit the test?

Lindy123 · 12/09/2014 18:07

*we

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Lindy123 · 12/09/2014 18:06

I'm off to grab a lottery ticket now, if Iwe win I doubt we'll bother with the test tomorrow........

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Lindy123 · 12/09/2014 18:04

andmypointis

Thank you. I think your post makes sense and is clear.

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Lindy123 · 12/09/2014 17:57

prh47bridge

I was never suggesting a relevance, maybe go back and read again?

There is no relevance at all between the two boroughs, none at all as regards the content of that particular paper.

My prior post shows that I had obtained relevant words from a morning candidate in my hand within 5 minutes which I could have passed on to an afternoon candidate. Of course there is no relevance to Slough and I have not suggested that in any of my previous posts. why would I even think that a different borough would sit the same paper? I'd like to think that doesn't happen.....

I show that it can be done and with the two hour gap between Reading Boys and Kendrick where candidates are not competing for places it is entirely feasible. There should be no possibility that morning kids can discuss content with afternoon kids.

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Lindy123 · 12/09/2014 17:50

Papercliplover

A senior director of Trafford borough resigned when it was proved that the 11+ papers had been Mal Administered.

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papercliplover · 12/09/2014 17:29

Good luck taking a complaint of "Mal Administration" to law re these 11 plus papers.

The judge'll get a good laugh anyway.

prh47bridge · 12/09/2014 17:27

I am not sure how you think having words from the Bucks paper is in any way relevant to the Slough consortium. They use different tests, albeit from the same provider. It is by no means guaranteed the test will include antonyms at all, let alone the same ones used in the Bucks paper.

CatherineofMumbles · 12/09/2014 17:22

I'm not sure that the child can be relied upon to remember what was in the test.
My own DC sat similar highly competitive tests and were successful, to the extent that we were notified by HT of the target schools that they had done exceptionally well. However, when we collected them after the tests and asked them they couldn't remember anything useful.
The more real danger I would suggest is that teachers have access to the info in advance of the second test. Mostly teachers are law-abiding people, but even saints can be tempted if they 'have a dog in the fight' as the saying goes. In state schools I have been in, as a teacher and other professional capacity, I have seen blatant cheating in GCSE Controlled Assessments, so teachers are not above giving some 'help' in some circs. I'm surprised that in the new article none of the parents raised that as a concern - instead suggesting outlandish scenarios with twins/cousins.

andmypointis · 12/09/2014 16:58

To be honest there is no limit to the steps some parents would be willing to take to get a child into these grammar schools. It is like getting a private education for free. Some parents have been paying for tutoring for their kids for years and will do anything and everything they can to get a competitive advantage. Now I am not saying that it is right (far from it!) but I do think in such a fiercely competitive situation the administration of the test must be scrupulously fair and seen to be fair, with no information overlap possible between those sitting it. There is no doubt that snippets of valuable information can be shared given the time-lag between schools/sittings. I honestly believe that close-knit, extended families and friendship groups will share information to get children in using whatever means. All that needs to be done to resolve is to have an effective quarantine procedure. I can see lots of appeals afoot! Good luck….

Lindy123 · 12/09/2014 16:39

tiggytape

Actually, your post really proves what a fiasco it all is then!

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Lindy123 · 12/09/2014 16:37

tiggytape

If you read the prior posts you'll see this is not about 5 random words from a test, nothing of the sort. I don't care if it's difficult, that's not my problem. If the system is broken then it should be fixed no matter how difficult.

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tiggytape · 12/09/2014 16:34

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Lindy123 · 12/09/2014 16:21

tiggytape

Your point is totally valid as is mine. Would it not make sense to update a ridiculous system that allows ANY margin for cheating by simple doing what is done for all GCSE exams at the moment? Quarantine morning sitting from afternoon. Pretty simple stuff really.

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andmypointis · 12/09/2014 16:07

To be honest there is no limit to the steps some parents would be willing to take to get a child into these grammar schools. It is like getting a private education for free. Some parents have been paying for tutoring from their kids for years and will do everything they can to get a competitive advantage. Now I am not saying that it is right (far from it!) but I do think that in such a competitive exam situation the administration of the test must be scrupulously fair and seen to be fair, with no information overlap possible between those sitting it. There is no doubt that snippets of valuable information can be shared given the time lag between schools/sittings of this. I honestly believe close-knit extended, families & communities will share information to get children in using whatever means. All that needs to be done is to put in place an effective quarantine procedure to resolve it. I can see lots of appeals afoot! Good luck all

tiggytape · 12/09/2014 16:01

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Lindy123 · 12/09/2014 15:22

prh47bridge

And maybe you are assuming that the test will take the "old" GL form, which indeed it might, on the other hand, it might not and yesterday it didn't take the form you describe above...and believe me, the child who passed on the information would not have got those words wrong and in fact are viral now if you search for them.

The point is...as is with GCSE testing kids, are quarantined if there is a conflict of interest. Parity should exist with the 11+ and I'm not sure why that is such a problem as it's common place with GCSE...Is it because grammar school are very much self governing and quite formidable institutions?

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prh47bridge · 12/09/2014 15:07

You are assuming that your informant has got the words absolutely correct. You are also assuming that all the questions ask for antonyms.

This type of question is normally of the form "A is to B as C is to D, E, F, G or H". You only need the antonym if B is the antonym of A. It may not be. So you need all 8 words to be sure of getting the right answer. For example, if the question was "Prison is to Crime as Pain is to ..." and all you had was Pain you may think the answer is Pleasure, which would be wrong.

Lindy123 · 12/09/2014 14:54

prh4Bridge

Yesterday I received a list of vocabulary that had been on the Bucks 11+ paper minutes earlier.

Kendrick School have that list now.

The list consisted of five tricky words, the test was then to choose the antonym of those five tricky words from a choice of five other tricky words. If you had that list of tricky words beforehand and you looked up the meaning and then searched for antonyms on your smart phone, you would have an advantage. If that got you 5 marks you're on your way.

I won't cheat in the way I describe but it WILL work.

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