'State schools are creating amoral children'

I think TOSN might have been referring to the working classes. I don't think anyone could say that there is likely to be a higher % of them in private schools- even outside the big cities.......

In fact outside major cities there are probably a higher % of Jews, openly gay and Muslims at private schools than state schools especially the big name ones.

nit what on earth makes you think there are no jews, muslims or opening gay DC at private school?

Mart no "faux naïveté" I really do struggle to see that it has that much impact on society. Let's face it as were often being told we're only talking about 7% of children currently in education, MN is clearly not a representation of most UK families and how they educate their children through choice or lack of it. Or perhaps it that tiny minority in certain school which I won't bother to name because we all know which ones they are who you think are having an impact a disproportional impact on our society? But these children being at these schools comes back to my point above it's all about money not education.

Neither does clunking irony.

HG- faux naïveté does not become you.

Mart you know I struggle to accept that educating your child privately has that much impact on society it's money or at least the having large sums of it and the determination to acquire more at any costs that I believe has the biggest impact on society. But maybe you're right and I just can't see it, perhaps some of those dreadful hypocrite tendencies I was brought up with have rubbed of on me after all.

HG-I won't insult your intelligence by explaining the damage that private education does to society. Fair enough to make the choice to privately educate your child- but do not pretend that it is a choice which has no impact outside your own family circle.

You see Mart having been brought up with what my DH calls "Trot hypocrites" who are ardent supporters of Amnesty International" but who don't tolerate disagreement with their views in their own circle of friends and acquaintances I've come to the conclusion that it doesn't really matter what others think about your school, your car, your clothes, house or political views, and if they want to express those views ideally in a logical way be it too your face, on a forum like this or in any other way let them. You don't have to agree with them and maybe their experience is not your experience and in their circumstances it does apply after all if they choose to pay for education in the belief that there child is going to get a better moral compass delusional or not what harm is it actually doing you and your DC's.

My particular prejudice is reserved for Farage although I suspect that if I learnt more about the man and what he stands for and assuming my blood pressure didn't rise so much that I had a stroke I would feel that same. I'd just be able to despise him from an fully informed position instead.

"I'm just really curious to know how Walden has acquired this intimate knowledge of state schools - does he spend a lot of time in them?"

The same way that private school parents know exactly what goes on is state schools. And the way parents of 3 year olds know that state school just wouldn't work for their child...............

I suspect Walden is like most of us we all have irrational, uniformed prejudices.

I'm just really curious to know how Walden has acquired this intimate knowledge of state schools - does he spend a lot of time in them?

I have no experience of secondary yet but at my dcs' primary schools they definitely promote a culture of kindness and caring for each other.

TOSN please do to tar us all with same brush! I'm not paying to stop my children from meeting the working classes.
Or assume that all state educated children are bosum buddies with the working classes living in social housing claiming benefit, under my childhood leftie intellectual MC stone the working classes weren't exactly regular visitors only their causes were championed.

Richard Walden had obviously been to my DCs state school.

"I had barely met anoyone that wasn't WC before I went to unveristy. I had certainly never met a muslim or a jew or anyone openly gay"

I know a lot of kids who have never met anyone working class socially- the difference is that they could well go through an extremely long and successful life never doing so!

wordfactory: I had barely met anoyone that wasn't WC before I went to unveristy. I had certainly never met a muslim or a jew or anyone openly gay

Sure: me neither. But not, in either case I don't think, because our parents paid good money to make sure we didn't, right? Or, more charitably, paid good money to ensure a situation which, coincidentally, resulted in us not doing so?

Which I think makes a difference.

I was brought up hearing the "narrow the gap between rich and poor" "get rid of the bourgeoisie" mantra.

You don't have to man the barricades as far as Im concerned I'm not a complete unreconstructed capitalist Ubik. I come from a family of staunch leftie liberal educated wealthy MC trade union leaders/activists and vociferous women's right campaigners, sounds incompatible but believe me in the 70's there were quite a few out there swimming pools big detached houses and all. My DH who's slightly to the right of Genghis Khan calls them leftie hypocrites a little unkind I think.

HAppygardening

We narrow the gap between rich and poor

I hate this auto correct!
I'm tried to day I don't know how we create an all inclusive society.

No word you're right the frightening increase popularity of UKIP amongst the affluent working classes is a testimony to the fact that attending inclusive schools has not resulted in an inclusive society. And as UBik depressing article shows there's plenty of smug, satisfied ex independent school pupils out there as well.
I don't know how we can create a acting inclusive society.

This is such a sad, judgemental thread. If we are all being perfectly honest most teachers whether state or indie want their pupils to grow up as happy, well rounded citizens and most achieve this. All sorts of factors influence what eventually happens to our pupils but it incredibly rarely the school they attended.

I saw this on the front of a paper just now it might have been the Times - what grated a bit was the description of the person who said it as 'HEAD OF TOP SCHOOL' well it is not 'top school' is it, it is just one of those crappy little prep schools that is desperate for money.

happy you ask if someone needs to interact daily with people different from yourself to develop acceptance - the answer is of course you don't!
I had barely met anoyone that wasn't WC before I went to unveristy. I had certainly never met a muslim or a jew or anyone openly gay.

But I wasn't a screaming racist/homophobe!

Also, as has been said, the vast majoirty of society do attend inclusive state schools and frankly this has not resulted in an inclusive society, tolerant of all...