'State schools are creating amoral children'

I wasn't being spiteful- I assumed she was HEing. As it turns out she may finds she gets a child like me -desperate to go to school. My father didn't like school- it had no relevance to me- I am a different person and it is a different time and place. You at least need to know your child first and your local options. Who knows what schools will be like in 5/6/7 yrs time?

For Independent school fees comparison, we're dirt cheap, up here. This is Alexander Armstrong's old school www.durhamschool.co.uk/fees-and-charges.asp

rgs is Newcastle is Aldi, in comparison www.rgs.newcastle.sch.uk/Fees

Happygardening: what I was saying is that his ignorant assumptions about state / independent education have been expressed in a divisive way - and have had a divisive effect.

A MUTUAL divisive effect.

happygardening "Bit spiteful delphinium".

??????

It wasn't spiteful. I can't see that it is any worse than her telling me that my children have been to crap schools and I have failed them!
Lots of people work out their birth and parenting philosophy first- easy when it is hypothetical. Maybe I should stick to my general 'smile and nod and ignore' and wait for reality to hit.

I said 'stick to your prejudices'- I don't have any. There are excellent state schools and dire ones with everything in between. There are excellent private schools and dire ones with everything in between. There are excellent HEers and dire ones with everything in between.
I don't know of one terrible school, or even several, and assume that all are terrible! I also don't work out what is best for my child before they are born!

Eh, how did I post that at Thu 15-May-14 19:01:43?
What I meant was Richard Walden obviously hasn't been to my DCs state school.

Ubik1 "The crucial part of that post is that she doesn't have children ye"t

I think you will find that the crucial part is the fact that they are saying they had a crap education themselves and they are now going to educate their own children ;-)

Bit spiteful delphinium.

Cross posted Ubik1- I expect she has her whole philosophy of parenting worked out before she has the child and knows what suits them.

"His speach is full of what are in effect class assumptions"
It's only those nasty independent ed supporters who are full of assumptions whatever their roots.
"You stick to your prejudices if it makes you feel better"
No sticking to prejudices from the state ed supporters of course.

I see that hedwiggity is talking about hypothetical children and hasn't taken on board that they have views of their own. I thought they were blank sheets before I found out differently.

The crucial part of that post is that she doesn't have children yet

hedwiggity when i have DC they are being homeschooled with some extra activities outside home to mix with kids their own age and play parks etc but not letting a state school get hold of them that's for sure.

Good luck to your kids, they're going to need it.

Working hard

compromising on soft toilet paper....

Compromising on soft furnishings...

Ubik - and sacrifices.

Luckily I can't recognise your examples, hedwiggity. Mine have done wonderfully well through the state comprehensive system.

Soon someone will mention that all parents at posh private school arrive in old bangers etc etc

*hedwiggity - I think state school are a load of crap.

Feel free to set up your own free school. You seem to know how to do it better, why not show us all how it should be done.

Well you are missing out, hedwiggity. It is pointless telling you all the wonderful things schools are doing- you stick to your prejudices if it makes you feel better.

Walden is making a crass, divisive speech.

With a divisive effect.

His speech is full of what are in effect class assumptions.

With a class-based effect.

He could have talked about the value of the 'immeasurables' in a wider curriculum across education of all sectors - as a pedagogical matter, rather than a sector or class based matter.

He could have urged all teachers as professionals to provide the narrative that will support a GCSE curriculum (important to all sectors, all young people) which is rich in quality, research, evaluation by students, rather than tick box type answers in which they simply regurgitate.

But he didn't.

Therefore he us a charlatan, using sleazy nasty techniques to try and scare custom his way.

Hopefully good teachers, amongst his member schools and in the state sector, will show better leadership than him in the way they come together to share practice and lobby for a good education overall.

nope speaking from personal experience no-one reads the daily fail it is unreadable anyway , i'm in my 20's haven't been to primary school in a while obviously but they were awful when i went and from what friends and cousins etc have told me they are even worse now, plus i have read plenty of threads on here about school dinners and packed lunches. now a days you get taught english,maths,geography a bit of PC enhanced history with chunks missing (ask any british DC to name the founding fathers of america). And a bit of safe science ( can't have experiments anymore in case parents sue for compo). And then they send you too high school and thats my personal experience too as well as what i have been told. when i have DC they are being homeschooled with some extra activities outside home to mix with kids their own age and play parks etc but not letting a state school get hold of them that's for sure.

Typical MN summerends.
Much more exciting than saying most schools, from any sector, do a good job.