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Eton pre-assesment. When would it be for a ds born in Feb 2004? Will it be in 2014 or 2015? Thank u in advance.

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Immenselygrateful · 27/04/2014 19:45

On the eton website, it is stated that the assessment "takes place during Year 6 (in UK school years), close to the boy’s 11th birthday. Boys born September to February are assessed in the autumn term, and boys with March to August birthdays in the summer term."

I need your help with interpreting this for me. My ds was born in Feb 2004. Would he then be assessed in the autumn term of 2014 or 2015?

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happygardening · 29/04/2014 23:24

You mention Whitgift are you aware that it's primarily a day school? I don't know it very well although a friend taught there but I think you'll find it' has a completely different ethos/style to Eton and Harrow.
Winchester is not as sporty as either Eton or Harrow and it's true that there are boys who do very little sport after the first half a term after starting and there is also very little compulsory major team sports. But Winchester will be looking for a boy who can offer other things instead of sport, music is big at Winchester but the standard is very high and intermediate players, basically (according to my DS's music scholar friend) anyone below grade 8 doesn't get much of a look in, the school runs lots of cultural extra curricular activities when other schools are doing compulsory sport and 4-5 plays a term. So what Im trying to say is that your DS would have to be interested/passionate about something although it doesn't have to be sport.

Michaelahpurple · 29/04/2014 09:28

If he is bright but not sporty how about Winchester - they can practically drop it after the first year. And it is full boarding.
I haven't found anyone who has any idea how one would cram or tutor for the Eton pre selection, although the country preps I can't help suspecting have some method. Getting through common entrance is another matter - you definitely need to talk tithe schools to see if your local schools can cover the syllabus and if not whether your bit would be able to do the reduced entrance exam option, where there is one.

peteneras · 28/04/2014 21:09

OP, I’m sorry if I sounded harsh in my earlier post. What I did was just the prelude and an introduction to an Eton education. Believe me, Eton don’t mince their words when it comes to business. I don’t mean the commercial kind but in an educational sense which is what the School does best. You just have to read some of the school reports that are sent out every end of term to parents/guardians to see what I mean. Please do not be discouraged from what you have heard so far. Like I said, your boy is only 10 years old now and is behaving perfectly normally in everything you said about him. When my DS was 10, he spent anything between 4 and 6 hours playing Nintendo games EACH day and I’d always regretted the Playstation Console that I bought him. This was finally confiscated and was never to be seen again till this day.

Your son has the basic normal ingredients in him that can make him a strong candidate for Eton. Start working on him NOW to bring his dreamy world into reality focus. You have to take the lead, plan things for him, e.g. introduce him to music, take him to the museum, talk about current affairs, ask him questions and his opinions on anything you come across - really there is no end. Listen to his answers and opinions and respect them no matter how ridiculous. Challenge him kindly (even if you agree with his answers) to make him think outside the box. In time, he will change. That’s what I meant when I said his character needs to change. i.e. from lazy idleness to an alert mind. And two years is plenty of time for a 10-year-old to change. The football and swimming plans are a good start. Also, there are many Africans currently in Eton so it can be done!

Got to go now and I will reply your PM in due course.

summerends · 28/04/2014 17:13

I also know of quite a few very impressive people who daydreamed their way through childhood and for them it gave them time to be creative.

summerends · 28/04/2014 16:58

Zero I completely agree with you. Part of what I was trying to say is really what you and Peteneras have already voiced that however excellent a school Eton is, I would hesitate to send a boy who likes/ needs time to dream and with no inclination for sport. Similarly Harrow or any similar boarding school.

ZeroSomeGameThingy · 28/04/2014 16:36

summer I also would be unwilling to go down the box-ticking route. But I do have experience of wanting to be somewhere - and then being completely lost when I got there because I simply hadn't experienced the stuff the other people had.

I know I omitted to point out, as I had intended, that these activities help to build qualities that can enrich academic work and social life. And I think it would be cruel to throw a child into that sort of environment with no mainstream personal resources. But on the other hand the cleverest ex-Etonian I know was scrupulous about avoiding all sport at school.

summerends · 28/04/2014 16:06

Immensely an alternative plan would be to consider somewhere like Westminster for sixth form boarding. That will allow him to mature into his own interests. Dreaminess allows space for imagination and thinking but unfortunately to benefit from full time boarding schools time for dreaminess is a scarce commodity. Boarding in the wrong environment for him may be counter effective. I say that as some one who thinks boarding is extremely positive for the right child.
Personally I would n't push your DS into activities to tick boxes if it goes against his character although obviously sport and music are great pastimes. I would try to find what might interest him. You say chess, does he perhaps like art or writing stories or computer programming or something else?

Immenselygrateful · 28/04/2014 13:45

Thank youZeroSome.

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ZeroSomeGameThingy · 28/04/2014 12:57

Makes sense I suppose...

OP I'm glad you brought your query here - because you may now see that you were far from exploiting the opportunities available on your own doorstep. And thus being a little unfair in writing off the work ethic of an entire continent.

There are hundreds of thousands of children in Africa playing sport and learning instruments and being pushed by their parents to be the best they can be. If your current school is not facilitating these things might you consider - since you have the financial capability - finding a much better school for him to attend right now?

It's a long time till your DS is 13. In the meantime you might find he thrives in a more ambitious school closer to hand. I know nothing about where you are or what the possible schools might be but I don't believe there isn't one. Perhaps you'd decide he really doesn't need Eton? Or he'll decide that he needs to try much harder to get there....

As regards other UK schools - I suggest you look up the feeder schools to Eton and see which other senior schools the children leave for. Or start another thread!

peteneras · 28/04/2014 12:24

Zero I wasn't interviewed when DS got his second major Eton scholarship, the King's Scholarship. I suppose Eton knew who we were by now on the basis of the JS three years prior.

Immenselygrateful · 28/04/2014 12:12

Thank you ZeroSome and Peteneras, for the reality check and guidance. Clearly ds and I both have a lot to do if he is to stand a chance.

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peteneras · 28/04/2014 12:12

He will does? Where did that come from? Or do I mean, 'He still does'?

ZeroSomeGameThingy · 28/04/2014 12:09

You don't mention KS?

peteneras · 28/04/2014 12:06

He will does - for major scholarship boys e.g. New Foundation Scholarship now; Junior Scholarship then.

ZeroSomeGameThingy · 28/04/2014 11:46

Interesting post! Though the HM definitely isn't interviewing parents these days!

peteneras · 28/04/2014 11:35

Immense, I am always encouraging people to try for Eton as I’m convinced it is arguably the greatest school in the world. I hasten to add it does not mean other schools are inferior, it’s just that Eton ticks all my boxes and idea of a great school. The teaching and facilities it offer the boys are second to none. In fact, the whole Eton environment is perfectly conducive to learning.

I clearly remember during my interview (parent) with the Head Master some twelve years ago, I was asked why did I pick Eton for my son. I replied that I understood the teaching was great and I knew the facilities it offered were ‘out of this world’. The impassive look on the Head’s face when he starred back at me seemed to say, ‘You ain’t seen nothing yet’. Years later, I discovered he was of course right.

The great thing about Eton is that the School NEVER tells the boys what its past pupils had achieved in life or what is expected of them when they finally leave. The boys who are there would have already known what great men had passed through those same gates of the School. Rather like you telling your sons now about Eton, they would have learnt from various sources of the many great achievements of Old Etonians. And I’m not talking only about prime ministers. Etonians are therefore, highly inspired. They know that it is perfectly possible for them to achieve similarly, be it in politics, business, science, journalism, entertainment, the judiciary, the armed forces, the lot really.

From high inspirations come high competition. Etonians will compete in anything and everything. The School encourages this competitive mindset. Often, prizes and rewards are given to winners but non-winners are given a pat on the back, so to speak, for competing and are encouraged to try even harder next time. So it is perfectly normal that you win some and you lose some and boys take both winning and losing with equal measures.

Boys therefore, need to work hard under their own steam lots of the time because they know competition will come from the most unexpected corners. They cannot rest on their laurels. The teachers (Masters) are there in the classroom and outside it to offer help and advice. Almost all Masters live in the school and its surroundings. Classes are small compared to state schools, of course. In the higher forms, sometimes as small as 4 or 5 boys according to subject taken. Boys are treated with respect as young adults and they are streamed according to ability. EW (homework) is often set and is expected to be handed in on time. Equally, the work is marked and returned to boys by Masters within 24 - 36 hours to indicate seriousness and respect for boys’ work. Again, good work is rewarded with a ‘Show-Up’. Yes, the whole teaching style is more akin to a university and it requires tremendous self-discipline on the part of the boy. University life later on will be second nature to an Old Etonian.

On the basis that you said your DS is quite laid back, needs lots of pushing, not sporty, never encountered a musical instrument, etc. he would be totally sunk at Eton I’m afraid. Not too different at Harrow or any of the major public schools too, sorry to say. Better be blunt and face the reality than to give you false hope to lead you nowhere. But again, your DS is only 10 years old, what do you expect? He can CERTAINLY change within the next couple or so years to be a strong candidate for Eton by taking up sports, have more self-discipline, be more inspired and the desire to achieve. Good chess is definitely a plus but Eton isn’t too hot on chess. Parents can do wonders to influence a child to do all the above. Perhaps you might want to contemplate how you may help?

Immenselygrateful · 28/04/2014 11:34

Smile.
Going in for a dr's appointment now. Will respond later.
Thx

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ZeroSomeGameThingy · 28/04/2014 11:22

That sounds reasonable.

(Although I think the entire continent of Africa would have good reason to feel a little insulted....)

Your Ds needs to start competing in his own school now. Most 10 year olds don't have long term goals - but it is a particularly receptive age. He needs to try his best at everything, not just chess.

Is he reading a lot?

Immenselygrateful · 28/04/2014 11:16

I am going to enrol him in a football academy and for swimming lessons.

I forgot to add that I want him to attend a full boarding school for obvious reasons.
I don't know the pros and cons of co-ed but if there is a good code sch with full boarding or where most boarders stay over the weekend, I would like to know about it.
Please help and recommend any schs to me. I really need a very academic sch, not necessarily a hot houses one like the Etons..but where at least the students are not left to themselves a lot of the time!

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Immenselygrateful · 28/04/2014 11:05

first, why do I want ds to be educated in England?

  • I want him to learn and hence have a great work ethic, from a young age. The problem, and the reason why Uganda is not developing fast is mainly to do with the work ethic of our people. I also had to visit countries like UK to understand the concept of time management and all other things that determine the work ethic level of a person. I still struggle with this and I believe it is because it is a ' forced concept' to me ( since I didn't learn it since I was a child). I believe ds will easily develop the work ethic required to be successful in life if he is exposed to it from an early age..and I think he will get this by attending a highly competitive school in a fast paced society/country. That is why, even though I can afford to, I am not planning on putting him in an international sch in Uganda. In my culture there is a saying that means ( when loosely translated) that if a crop stem bends in the early stages of the crop formation, if you try to straighten it later it just breaks. I don't want my dc to bend towards poor work habits ( like I did) in their formative years.

The reason I chose those schools is their highly competitive nature. I believe if my son is exposed to such rigor, he will style up ( for a lack of a better word). He is very bright but he only performs outstandingly if pushed. I don't believe a soft fun oriented sch will make him the 'style up'. I believe he needs, not to change his personality, but to learn self discipline. Thee is no place for slackers in tomorrow's world.

He is gregarious but not so emotionally tough. He wants everyone to be his friend and becomes really sad if excluded. He is also prone to bullying ( he is the one who complains most about being bullied whenever he changes schs). He is averagely competitive, especcially if the timeline is short. He is not the kind who focuses to achieve a goal in the far future. And all these are things I wish he could learn...the more reason to be in a place where other kids are that way ( maybe it could rub off him?)

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ZeroSomeGameThingy · 28/04/2014 10:03

Can I say a little more about sport?

You say your 10 year old very much wants to go? He's perfectly capable of reading and understanding the website. Surely he can see endless photos of boys in boats, on playing fields, in the pool...

You need to explain to him that

  1. the boys work extremely hard and any sport is a welcome relaxation, even if played very competitively.

  2. Team sport is considered to be character building. It is totally built into a prep school curriculum - so those boys go up to public school with a layer (or core? Dunno....) of resilience, fitness and enthusiasm for competition that is difficult to acquire later. Individual sports bring their own benefits in the way of concentration, perseverance, pride in doing something well...

  3. Given all the above, a boy who completely turns his back on sport will find himself exceptionally lonely during his time there. They would need to be very actively engaged in something else....

Such as music. Or theatre. Or even politics.

I asked about your impetus for choosing the schools you mentioned. What do you want from a school - other than a shot at becoming Prime Minister? Do you think your DS is a competitive soul? Is he gregarious? At least averagely emotionally tough?

Most importantly why do you want him to be educated in England.? Not a generic response - what is the specific advantage to your child? And why these particular schools?

Immenselygrateful · 28/04/2014 09:46

Ds is a good chess player. I wonder if that would make him an attractive candidate.

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Immenselygrateful · 28/04/2014 08:59

No you are not being rude or anything. I also appreciate your bluntness. I think I need a reality check.
Thanks for the responses ZeroSome.

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ZeroSomeGameThingy · 28/04/2014 08:49

X posted! Without wishing to be rude to the OP I would imagine that both Eton and Harrow are primed for a huge increase in interest following their respective TV series.

Its perfectly reasonable to assume that a fair proportion of those boys will have the capability to be serious candidates.

ZeroSomeGameThingy · 28/04/2014 08:36

Yes, I think visiting the place is a priority - with your son of course. If I remember correctly (no guarantee of that) you will have missed the allocated tour days for his age, so you'll need to get in touch yourself. What they say is that a tour can be arranged to take place at the same time as pre-assessment.

But, long before September you need to establish exactly which entrance route your DS would take; ie would he be considered a prep school or state school candidate or something else entirely. From what you say you clearly haven't yet discussed this with them - it needs clarifying and only they can do that.

So please forget about Common Entrance and KS preparation for now. Find out from the Admissions dept exactly which entrance exams he would be expected to take.

Outside of that - I'm curious to know what the impetus is... Why do you want him to go? If you've been able to watch the latest CBBC TV programmes about the school you'll know that the boys' own determination is an important factor. That's a different thing to daydreaming....

And if he's determined then perhaps by now he ought to be keener on grasping any sporting opportunities that are available?

Also - I am assuming you can pay fees? I ask because you don't suggest he is KS standard (who knows) and even with a large bursary, if you qualified for one, the expense from Uganda would be immense. So - if you're not living in abject poverty (sorry to be blunt) why isn't he playing any instruments? (I'm familiar with the continent you live on, surely there's no shortage of pianos...)

It isn't enough to want to go. Say he passes the pre-test (with no conversation about music or sport...) and passes CE or the state school entrance exam. How is he going to spend his time there? It's a school that very much emphasises extra-curricular activities. Does he have any other hobbies or interests? A) to make him an attractive candidate and B) to give him a good time while he's there.

Too long! Sorry. Phone / email them!