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Horrified!

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Educator2014 · 21/03/2014 11:12

Today I happened on an article about how a mother was treated by when, on this site, she expressed concern about her 14 year old studying Mogadishu.
I have to say that as an educator myself I am concerned that children are subjected to such sensitive topics in this form. A teachers job is to educate and create better world citizens. I take no issue with the topics covered, racism, bullying, violence, self-harm and suicide are sadly all still part of our lives and educating children on their effect on history, as well as on the current personal and world view will aid in preventing history from repeating itself. The problem is how the topics are presented! For Mr Chris McGovern, chairman of the Campaign for Real Education to say “Students allowed themselves to be moved by its themes rather than be hung up on the sometimes gritty vernacular" is a cop out.

As an educator I understand that sometimes parents concern for their children can go too far, but this mothers concern is legitimate!
For educators to attack her is unacceptable!
‘As a teacher, I will say very bluntly how sick and f tired I am of parents like you who think they are experts on all f areas of the curriculum.’
If a student spoke like this they would be reprimanded and this from a person responsible for the education of your children?!
"Censorship – that’s what you want. So you can impose your middle- England, white, middle-class values on a world that no longer exists."
This smacks of race and class discrimination! Again this from an educator?!
What hope do today's children and in turn the future of modern society have when educators seem unable to articulate themselves with out profanity or bias.

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EvilTwins · 22/03/2014 00:19

I've just returned from the theatre, where I saw a play in which mistaken identity led to extra-marital sex. It was horrifying. I hope my children never have to study such filth. It was written by some unknown chap - William something. Disgusting.

LeBearPolar · 21/03/2014 21:53

Oh no, it wasn't! That was donnie's post! So what did you say, adoptmama?

LeBearPolar · 21/03/2014 21:52

I liked your post, adoptmama. It was the one about pitchforks and fatwas, wasn't it?

ormirian · 21/03/2014 21:51

Sorry, what was the problem? Was it not very nice? Oh dear.

LeBearPolar · 21/03/2014 21:50

Someone's a bit trigger-happy on the delete button tonight! Maybe MNHQ have got the gin in and are watching Sport Relief and have to take a swig and delete a post every time Davina McCall cries...

adoptmama · 21/03/2014 21:38

v. curious as to why my post was deleted. I never accused anyone of being a troll. Never made a personal attack on any poster. Never broke the law. Didn't spam. Didn't troll hunt.

I genuinely fail to see how I broke any T & Cs

LeBearPolar · 21/03/2014 21:30

cory - I think you should report yourself and your DD's sixth form college to the Daily Fail for such shocking behaviour.

Will no-one think of the children!

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cory · 21/03/2014 19:46

LeBear, I saw Lysistrata at my dd's sixth form college last term. The erections were bloody ginormous clearly visible.

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LeBearPolar · 21/03/2014 18:55

I think, to be fair, to the OP, she doesn't mind what the texts are about as long as no-one swears in them.

Brothels, incest, rape, murder, domestic abuse, torture, drugs...bring it all on as long as no-one uses a profanity Shock

BettyBotter · 21/03/2014 18:51

I take it from your liberal sprinkling of exclamation marks post that you aren't an English teacher? (As in an educator of English literature rather than a teacher living in England). Ds is currently studying 'Of Mice and Men' for GCSE, as are tens of thousands of others. Topics covered in the novel include visits to the local 'whorehouse', sexual assault, racism and murder.

So, should we ban high level literature in case they cover sensitive topics?!!!

MrsDavidBowie · 21/03/2014 18:40

Are you op's best friend?

donnie · 21/03/2014 18:38

BAN THEM ! BAN THEM ALL! (waves pitchfork)

I hereby urge a FATWA upon all literature with rude words in! Even though I haven't actually read any of them I still hate 'em!!!!

mnistooaddictive · 21/03/2014 18:21

What do you mean by "an educator"?

LeBearPolar · 21/03/2014 18:20

OP, perhaps you could let us know how you feel about Ian McEwan's Atonement, Carol Ann Duffy's poetry and Angela Carter's The Bloody Chamber? All of them are absolutely standard texts at sixth form level and all of them include the word 'cunt'.

Do you feel this outweighs their literary merit and the themes and concerns they tackle? I would be interested to know your opinion.

stargirl1701 · 21/03/2014 18:18

You are soooo the original OP!

LeBearPolar · 21/03/2014 18:13

Oh dear, yet another ill-informed rant about literature. Is it time to wheel out Mrs Schofield's GCSE again?

You must prepare your bosom for his knife,

said Portia to Antonio in which

of Shakespeare's Comedies? Who killed his wife,

insane with jealousy? And which Scots witch

knew Something wicked this way comes? Who said

Is this a dagger which I see? Which Tragedy?

Whose blade was drawn which led to Tybalt's death?

To whom did dying Caesar say Et tu? And why?

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark - do you

know what this means? Explain how poetry

pursues the human like the smitten moon

above the weeping, laughing earth; how we

make prayers of it. Nothing will come of nothing:

speak again. Said by which King? You may begin.

As Carol Ann Duffy points out, literature has dealt with such issues forever. Donnie - you could go back further than Chaucer and bring in Aristophanes' Lysistrata in which the women of Greece go on a sex strike in an attempt to convince their husbands to negotiate a peace treaty during the Peloponnesian war. The stage directions and dialogue indicate that the men have erections in some scenes.

donnie · 21/03/2014 18:03

Yes well as I have pointed out on one of the other threads, Chaucer says 'cunt' all the time and King Lear (That's Shakespeare btw OP) depicts poor old Gloucester having his eyes gouged out: in fact I believe the exact quotation is "Out, vile jelly ". Mr Rochester keeps his mad wife locked up in an attic - personally I find this a bit more disturbing than the word 'fuck' - what do you think?

Webster - rape, murder, incest, rape and more rape.
Shakespeare - lots of incest, and if you really want to get into the revenge tragedy genre, read Titus Andronicus - poor old Lavinia is not only gang raped but also has her hands cut off and her tongue cut out so she cannot name her attackers. Still, at least it doesn't say 'cunt' - phew! what a relief!

Hardy - child suicide in 'Jude'
Lord of the Flies - child murders
Byron, Shelley etc - all off their heads on heroin - oh, ok, opium.
But no 'cunts' or 'fucks' = yay, result Grin

I could go on but actually just can't be arsed......oh, and I'm an 'educator' btw Wink.

Roseformeplease · 21/03/2014 17:23

As an educator, presumably you have full command of the apostrophe when teaching your extensive and well educated classes?

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cory · 21/03/2014 17:10

Students would be reprimanded if they used bad language at school. So will teachers. Last time I looked this wasn't a school but an anonymous forum.

saintlyjimjams · 21/03/2014 17:07

I'm sure the 'educators' on here are capable of using appropriate language within the classroom.

saintlyjimjams · 21/03/2014 17:06

What's an educator? Why not just say teacher. Or are you not a teacher?

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