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DS (12) feeling schoolwork/homework is relentless

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BlogOnTheTyne · 27/02/2014 12:55

He keeps saying, "Is this what life's all about then? Just work?" In term-time, his entire life revolves around lessons and then homework - this latter taking up most of the evening and lots of the weekend.

It's all going to get a lot harder too, as he gets nearer to public exams. He's happy at school - socially - and holding his own academically (v academically selective school) and wouldn't want to change schools.

It's more an attitude of mind and a reality and he sees me working most of my waking hours anyway (solo mum/ fully self employed/ family solely reliant on my income). I can't really say to him - by example - 'actually it's not all about work', when this feels a bit like the reality to me too.

However, when I was 12, I certainly didn't have a life revolving around work and exams and there seemed a lot more downtime. Is he a product of the 21st century and will just have to find a way of tolerating life as it is - or is there much I can say or do to help him feel differently?

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ZeroSomeGameThingy · 01/03/2014 08:36

He's been to the GP and referred on for migraines/vomiting - quite a long time ago now...... and he only gets a migraine usually the day after going back to school after a break or at a really busy time.

Take him back. Get them to suggest relaxation techniques, yoga, anything. Honestly, it's not going to get better without some sort of intervention.

BlogOnTheTyne · 01/03/2014 08:22

He's been to the GP and referred on for migraines/vomiting - quite a long time ago now. They ruled out anything insidious and suggested possible meds. that would make him sleepy - the last thing he needs. So we just try to maintain enough sleep for him when this is possible, me playing down the stress and he only gets a migraine usually the day after going back to school after a break or at a really busy time.

Yes, he does have some processing issues (nothing that would give him more time in exams though) - just enough to make organisational skills slightly harder than average but not enough for him to stand out at school with this as an issue. He doesn't really take my advice - which is typical of his age I guess. Today, he decided the best subject to start with was Art - a subject he's dropping next year - when i suggested he begin with a hard academic one that hs finds more difficult like maths.

Anyway, he's done one a bit subjects so far.

He can't be with me when I'm working as I'm in meetings (think something equivalent to a law practice). I'm about to start work now and we'll just have to see how much he gets done by the time I'm next free at lunchtime. I have told him that any subject he's dropping next year doesn't need to be done perfectly - well nothing needs to be perfect really either.

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Whyjustwhy · 01/03/2014 08:15

Op I feel really sad for you and your DC reading your last post. None of you are enjoying your lifestyle, or have a balance between work and fun.
I appreciate your worries about future careers for your children, but it's far more important that you help your children grow into resilient and emotionally secure adults. To feel under so much stress that he is vomiting and having migraines, that's not normal.

My DC attend/ed a non selective state school. Homework was always manageable. We leave the house at 8:15, and are home at 4:15pm. The older 2 have the strings of A/A* at GCSE, and more importantly, at A level.
They are at 2 of the better RG universities and both are doing very well.

The money we could have used to pay for private school, has been used to allow me to work part time so I am here for the DC. They have taken part in a wide range of sports, clubs, enrichment weekends etc. and have enjoyed their childhood and teen years.

Earlier this week, we learned of a friend of a friend who started at Oxford in the autumn. He was found dead after falling out of his window in the early hours last weekend. However it happened, that's it. His whole life is over.
My point is, we don't know what the future holds, so having a balance to life in the present is really important.

Sorry this has turned into an essay, but I think the problem is much bigger than too much homework.

ZeroSomeGameThingy · 01/03/2014 08:10

This really does sound intolerable. I've read all through, so if you've mentioned taking him to the GP and I've missed it I apologise - but I really do think that needs to be your next step.

I used to suffer from migraines (in my case cutting out one food group almost saved my sanity) and I know absolutely that they wipe you out for days - even after the pain has gone. So your poor DS is surely walking around in an exhausted daze half the time. And I know at that age they still don't know what's supposed to feel "right."

I feel so sorry for you both. (Somewhere between empathy and sympathy...) You're working relentlessly for something you're not sure you want - and which is harder and harder to maintain. He, as you say, must find it hard to see the purpose of all the work when, to be frank, you don't seem to be enjoying life much.

It does sound (and I appreciate you've probably condensed things) as if too much of the scant family relaxation time is spent looking at screens; you tube, films.... And it sounds as if that's so because you are too exhausted to think of or do anything else. I'm certain lots of fee paying (and other) families don't have spare money for camps and safaris (!) but I wish I knew where you are - have you truly exhausted all the free / cheap outdoor / water based / gallery options? (I'm comparing this to the 12 year olds I know who work very hard but have lots of time to "play" and run wild outdoors...)

Take him to the GP. The migraines probably are stress - but they need sorting out. He can't cope otherwise.

summerends · 01/03/2014 06:35

Do you think he is taking a reasonable amount of time over each piece of homework? Have you worked out what he is doing in a 25 minute chunk of time in relation to what he has produced at the end of it? Are similar traits to his slowness in getting ready in the morning coming into play? He may be spending a lot of time thinking / obsessing about doing each task rather than tackling it. Could he sit with you in your office so that you can observe what happens? He might benefit from some cognitive behavioural strategies and better at this stage than later.

BlogOnTheTyne · 01/03/2014 06:02

So he's accumulated 9 subjects for HW this w/e (a record even for him!) all of which he'll have to complete today, as he has a rare full day activity (school club) tomorrow.

All week, I've reminded him about getting on with more HW in the evenings, if he's to have any downtime on Saturday. He's done a few subjects per night but has been too tired to plod on with the others - hence 9 this w/e.

I repeat endlessly to him that it just feels better and works better if you get things over and done with and out of the way. He's still a bit young to 'get' this and more focused on the fact that if the HW doesn't have to be handed in till the following week, then why should he lose the only 30 mins he has, before bed, to carry on with more work.

I feel unwilling to force him to do more HW on weekday evenings as sometimes, he'll then develop migraines and end up vomiting and in bed at 6pm - wiped out. So it's an endless balance between him doing enough in the evening and yet not so much that he ends up having a 12+ hr working day.

Also, once I've made supper for DCs and ensured they're settled with HW, I then have to go back to work myself for the evening in my home office. So I'm not really there for the time he does his HW. I do check every night what new subjects he's been set and he usually agrees with me that the priority subjects will be those for tomorrow. He's never late handing in HW. It's just that there's so much of it given.

I don't think he gets enough sleep - for him. He's always needed a lot more sleep than the rest of us and still easily needs 10 hrs a night. As he has to be up by 6.30am latest, to get time to shower/bath, dress, eat bkfast etc (and is the slowest person I know with all these things) and we leave for school at 7.20am, he'd have to be asleep by 8.30pm every night to get the sleep he needs. But he adamantly refuses to go before 9/9.30pm, as that last half hour or so at night is literally the only time I get as quality time with the DCs and is v precious to him and all of us.

He's usually asleep between 9.30pm and 10.00pm, after lights out at 9.10pm. He's never had any kind of 'screens' available in his bedroom.

DCs used to do far more clubs and activities in the evenings but gradually have stopped everything but one thing that the other DC does at school, one evening a week, whilst DS works in the library for an hour, trying to do some HW. There is no way at all that they could fit in a social thing or an activity these days, partly cos of the HW and partly cos I work every evening (need to pay the school fees!).

I sort of agree that having fun and friends and good social skills will set him up for life, in so many ways, more than a string of As. However, it's also true that as jobs become more competitive and more excellent graduates are not getting work, it helps to be that person with a string of As, a first class degree from a RG Uni and excellent social skills too. It seems to me that young people need far more than I ever did at their age and beyond, just to climb the next rung of the ladder.

I should say that he's by no means the only one in his year to accumulate so much HW and is probably an average example of this. So although mega bright children may be able to whizz through some subjects more quickly, many of the rest will be even less organised and even be handing HWs in late.

He has quite a few commitments at lunchtimes so doesn't get so much time to do HW then and in any case, they only get 35 mins of break - which isn't that long, when you've maybe got to cross the school grounds to get to the library, get out all your HW and focus down on getting some done. However, he also says he needs some time off at lunchtime to be with friends and I'm reluctant to discourage this, just so he can get more HW done. The school discourages this anyway as they prefer children to 'do it properly' at home.

Now my DCs are older and school fees higher, I can't afford holiday camps/activities for them and they're able to survive without childcare, whilst I work (from home). But it does mean that chunks of time will be spent in front of their PCs and not going out and about. I just can't provide the extra resources for paid activity nor the time to take them here and there to see friends.

I feel hugely guilty about this of course but if I've suggested how we could all have a much less stressful lifestyle if they went to the local state school, they explode in fury and angst, as they desperately want to remain at the school they're at, along with all their friends - old and new. DS would just like not to have so much work outside of school.

I find myself pulled between encouraging him to buckle down and get it out of the way, frustrated that he'll do the minimum in the evenings (still quite a lot) - and telling him it doesn't matter at all. He'll be dropping that subject next year anyway.

The 'deal' for today is that I pay him 50p if he can get all the HWs done during the morning, when I'm working myself. That might not sound like much incentive but without any tangible reward, he'll probably fizzle out after 3 or 4 subjects and retreat to browsing on his PC, when I'm not there to monitor him. He says a lot of the HW this w/e is just small amounts to do for most subjects but I've not checked that with him. It may be completely impossible for him to do nine subjects in one morning. But I'd really like him to get some rest and relaxation this afternoon, as he's out all day tomorrow at a physically invigorating but tiring activity.

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LynetteScavo · 28/02/2014 23:03

What would happen if he did less homework?

My ds does the bare minimum homework- just enough to ensure he spent get a detention. I don't think he does more than 30 mins a week. He remembers everything he is told in class, so as long as he is paying attention in class, I figure he will be ok.

summerends · 28/02/2014 22:51

I think that if a child of 12 at a selective school has to do more than an hour regularly every night plus at weekends then that is hot housing or cramming and not worth it, they only have one childhood and so much of that sort of homework is wasted time. As said by others children at certain very selective schools do only an hour or less max 5 days a week until year 9/10 and still get extremely good results.
If he wants to stay at the school why don't you make an executive decision about which homework tasks he should do or leave each night depending on their learning value and the chances that the teachers will notice. However surely it is going to get worse for him as he goes up the school? It all sounds as though his enthusiasm for life and learning is being quenched.

Krindlekrax · 28/02/2014 22:31

If he's spending his whole life working and is getting stressed and bogged down by it, then he's at the wrong school and you need to find somewhere that is more suited to his needs.

Unfortunately, extremely selective schools only suit a certain type of child. I say 'unfortunately' because they a) offer a lot and b) it's impossible to tell how your child will cope before they start.

woodrunner · 28/02/2014 22:27

OP, when our DC were at state primary they stagnated. I remember feeling pretty bitter that they went to school to bake and paint and watch theatre shows then came home to learn their times tables. It felt the wrong way round. We chose an academic school so that we could take back the role of being the fun ones.

If you can just carve out half an hour an night with him to laugh at a comedy together, or take turns playing favourite songs on you tube; if you can plan fun events for the holidays as you chat over tea, then bit by bit you'll regain the balance. If it's an indie, keep reminding him how much longer his holidays are, and make sure you do some really brilliant fun every day stuff with him in the holidays, or if you are at work, sign him up for some stuff that has no academic pressure involved: drama or rock groups or fun sports.

And let him know the school might snort smoke if he gets a few Bs but you won't. How much pressure we apply is also vastly influential to their stress levels. I bet the mentally ill children Mulv is talking about have parents with super-high expectations.

Fatphase · 28/02/2014 09:38

My daughter is older (yr 10) in an academic selective school. She weekly boards and some weekends she comes home with so much homewrok it makes me really sad that we dont see her all week then simply dont have time at weekends to do much together either. The weekened when she is bogged down completely usually come after a week when she has had lots on in the week - like a school trip that retuens late for example.

I think problems arise with management of homework. DD learnt early on this year she needs to be doing 2 hours a night prep every weeknight to keep on top. Initially I think there was a bit of finishing a subject after 40 minutes and then thinking great I have finished early this evening because X.Y Z does not need to be in until Weds and Friday. When really she should have been forging on with those subjects to make way for the other prep that would be set inbetween with a shorter handing in date.

We had a couple of letters home to say she had not completed set homework a few times but this was down to her management and not slacking off (thankfully she has a very studious attitude generally) so we did not reprimand her but it alerted us to the fact she needed help with her time management. We spoke to her and then also her HOY who also ensured she had a little extra support for a few weeks to ensure she knew/understood how to keep ontop of it all.

Perhaps you need to sit down with him and look at his homework diary and and check every evening what homework is newly set and what is due in when then help him work out what needs to be done that evening. Perhaps spending longer at the beginning of the week to get on top but maybe also ahead. It may mean at the weekend of an evening later on the week he may not have to spend so long working. He is only 12 and may need help with the management side of it. Also engage the school, his tutor or HOY. Its in their interest to help kids learn how to manage their workloads. That in itself is a learning curve.

northlondoncat · 28/02/2014 09:22

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Suttonmum1 · 28/02/2014 09:18

If you are a parent choosing a school soon please take these posts on board. Not all super selectives are the same. Locally some are known for huge amounts of homework and some for giving less and encouraging a more rounded approach with more after school activities.

The point about spending tons of time doing homework on subjects you will then drop is very relevant.

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mulv2222 · 28/02/2014 08:59

Blog - I feel similar about the point of all this competition, slaving away for exams at school. I'm not into it at all. I teach at a highly selective indie and there are so many mental health issues, stressed out kids - why? What is the actual point? Different if your life long dream is to do something that you need a string of As for but mostly it comes from the parents. We are now choosing secondary for ds and whilst he's bright I wouldn't put him through a super selective. I want him to have fun! Shocking eh?i want him to enjoy his time at school i want him how to make friends and develop as a person and not into an exam taking machine. I know I'm in the minority, friends are aghast at my take on things. I think socialising and learning how to get on with people will see him further than whether he has As or A/B's.

Whyjustwhy · 28/02/2014 07:48

Im sorry your DS is having such a difficult time.

I think practically, the only advice I would offer, is that your DS needs to get ahead of the curve here and be in the position where he is able to tackle most of his homework on the night it is set, rather than the night before it's due in.
Given that he's got so much homework, realistically this may not be possible until after Easter when he will go back to school with all the work done, so can start with a clean sheet.
You've been given some excellent advice about structuring the week, and I agree that's essential.
My dd also year 8, is currently rehearsing for a dance show and has dance every week night, 6 hours on Saturday and 2 hours on Sunday. She gets about 45 mins per week per subject, (so about 8 hrs pw) and is keeping up with it all, but is needing support to stay organised. But she's not at all stressed and is doing well at school.

Rabbitcar · 27/02/2014 20:16

DD1 aged 13 is at what would be called a super selective London grammar in y8. She doesn't get much homework and spends most evenings when she's not at clubs, on her phone. Maybe she isn't doing enough. Her friends at indies get a lot more. But I like the fact she is enjoying her childhood.

NearTheWindymill · 27/02/2014 20:08

Oh, and blog the friendship group changed completely once they moved up to the senior school so don't despair about that.

NearTheWindymill · 27/02/2014 20:06

We did IGCE's too. dd is harder worker and we hope will come out with 6A/5A or vice versa. She has a place for 6th form at DS's old school providing she gets 5As. I think they've made a bit of an exception for her because she's Windy's sister - but also she's good across the board whereas ds was really focused on the liberal arts. I'm not at all convinced the school is the right one for her but she is desperate to follow "his" footsteps. I have a feeling we might be talking about the same school Wink

BlogOnTheTyne · 27/02/2014 18:42

NearTheWindymill, your DS sounds very clever! Mine fits comfortably within the school he's at, academically - but couldn't get 10A*s with v little work. He's not that bright. On the other hand, he's not in the bottom ranks either (usually in set 2 or 3 for things - out of 4 sets) and does v well at some subjects like English (in top few percent of cohort).

He's been with most of his cohort since age 3.75 in any case and would hate to move now, when friendships are strengthening. To be honest, I have no idea how he would compare with another cohort from a different kind of school. I think most of them at his current school get As and As at iGCSE (doing 10 to 13 subjects) with the occasional B grade if you struggle. My total guess (and he's currently only in Yr 8 and a bit young for the year) is that he could get 6 As, 3 As and maybe a B and the school say that every single child gets an A* at Maths, even those in bottom set (below DS).

So I don't have a real idea of how he is compared with UK wide peers. I only ever get to compare him with his cohort. Lots of children seem to coast along and do much much better (those would be the ones who'll get 3 As IGCSE a year early and then another 10 As the iGCSE year) and some are like DS and others are struggling more but will still probably get a lot of A grades at iGCSE. So it's a bit of a skewed cohort.

I'm not sure how much is his attitude towards work and whether he's just being pessimistic and stressed when he needn't be - but just get the work done. But I think my OP was really about the sense that actually, most of adult life really IS about endless hard work and tiny islands of leisure inbetween and is this how it should be?

Was it like that when I was a child? Why does it have to be and feel that way now and that DS - at such a young age, is questioning if this is the very nature of how life is and will be?

Back at the very beginning of his life, I was completely torn between academically selective schooling and actually home schooling and let childrne learn at their own pace, follow their own interests and perhaps become really expert at one of two things, whilst not having to pursue others. I bought into the academic schooling partly because I wanted my DCs to grow up socialising with lots of other children on a daily basis and getting used to 'institutions' as they'd probably oneday have to fit in with their employers institution, the office team etc etc.

But I do sometimes wonder now what life might have been like if I'd cosen the other path for the DCs, not had to work so hard myself to pay the school fees and we'd all had a much less pressured and busy life.

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RiversideMum · 27/02/2014 17:37

My DD got all A*s and As for GCSE with relatively little homework. This was at the local comp.

Ragwort · 27/02/2014 17:32

I think this is what you get if you go to an academically selective school - but hopefully your DS will do well and end up with a well paid and fulfilling career.

Meanwhile my DS is the same age, goes to the local bog standard comprehensive, does about 10 minutes homework on a good day and i just hope to goodness he gets to knuckle down sometime soon or he will be facing a dead end future. Sad.

NearTheWindymill · 27/02/2014 17:20

Hmm. My DS went to a very selective London Indie. I think he was supposed to do about 1.5 hours at 12. In reality he probably did about 45 minutes, skimming through bits and skiving others. A couple of hours tops at weekends. He got 10 A*s at GCSE and did exceptionally well in 6th form (he worked considerably harder in 6th form). Up to that point he certainly didn't kill himself.

Do you think OP that this might not be quite the right school for him? Does he have the opportunity to switch to somewhere a bit more nurturing at 13?

JohnnyUtah · 27/02/2014 17:13

I was going to type a post about my kids who are at an independent school as well. But it would have been just the same as wood runners!!

woodrunner · 27/02/2014 17:10

That really does sound like overload. But DC have also both said exactly that to me in the past and been overwhelmed by homework (also at v academic selective school.
We've made it all very structured.
Come home at 5pm: have a snack and watch trash on tv or play computer games for half an hour.
Do 1 hour homework.
Have tea at 6.30. Do last 30 mins homework. That takes until 7.30. Then there's 1 hour to relax totally before bath and bed.

That works three nights a week. One night a week they each have music lessons, so that time comes out of chill time. They love music, so if they complain about lack of tv on music nights I just ask: 'what will you regret at 16: missing episodes of Family Guy or not getting up to grade 5?

Friday night is always no homework night in our house and we make an effort for it to be fun. It's time for their friends to pile over, make pizzas, play games, go to the cinema etc.
Saturday is homework day, house cleaning etc.
On Sunday we always do something fun as a family or with friends for at least half a day. That way when they say 'is life always one long drudge,' I can reply: No you had your mates over for tea on Friday, we went to the cinema and to the leisure pool.'

By getting into these habits, they see that it's only three nights a week when there is no fun. One night is music and they love that. one night is friends/film night and they love that too and Sunday is a proper day off, going into town or to the theatre, so something memorably fun.

The other thing they've started to do is get basic homeworks done at lunchtime or on the way home.

And last, I tell them they don't have to be best at everything. No point in sweating blood over maths if you'll never take it up. As long as he gets an A or B, that's fine by us. Leave the A*s a year early to the math geeks.

Sorry - this is long but we have had similar and I'm pretty happy with the balance now.